#archlinux32 | Logs for 2018-05-18

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[06:21:33] <buildmaster> Hi deep42thought!
[06:21:40] <deep42thought> Hi buildmaster, what's up?
[06:21:41] <buildmaster> up? I'm up for 4 hours, 24 minutes, load average: 1.33, 1.31, 0.94
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[06:40:22] <deep42thought> fun fact: if mariadb is not running, the build master scripts crash so early, they do not report "insanity" :-D
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[08:09:46] <buildmaster> electron is broken (says eurobuild3).
[08:10:22] <eschwartz> electron is always broken by design...
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[09:26:42] <buildmaster> Hi deep42thought!
[09:27:04] <buildmaster> k3b is broken (says rechenknecht).
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[09:49:48] <buildmaster> Hi abaumann!
[09:49:52] <deep42thought> Hi abaumann
[09:49:52] <abaumann> morns. :-)
[09:50:18] <deep42thought> the buildmaster should be much more stable now, rewbycraft moved it to a different supervisor
[09:50:33] <deep42thought> and that supervisor only hosts the buildmaster and the router :-)
[09:50:58] <abaumann> ah. that's good news.
[09:51:11] <deep42thought> we have quite some packages in the build-list ...
[09:51:18] <abaumann> I files a bug on glibc/binutils segfaulting, let's see..
[09:51:33] <abaumann> yeah. I also kicked on my build-slave to help a little bit..
[09:51:34] <deep42thought> good!
[09:51:40] <deep42thought> also good!
[09:52:21] <abaumann> What worries me: nvidia dropping 32-bit, binutils having issues, this sounds like 32-bit Intel gets a second tier platform..
[09:52:46] <deep42thought> yeah, it's not very encouraging
[09:53:02] <abaumann> https://sourceware.org
[09:53:05] <phrik> Title:23194 – Building glibc 2.27 on 32-bit Intel with binutils 2.30 segfaults in elf subdir (at sourceware.org)
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[11:42:08] <deep42thought> abaumann: regarding linux-pae: If we want to do something like this, I think, the best way would be an [aur] repository like alarm has
[11:43:18] <deep42thought> The only problem I see with this (besides the work to implement it) is that it massively decreases the security if we don't change a whole lot in the buildmaster
[11:43:34] <deep42thought> because aur sources are much less trusted than other package sources
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[11:45:24] <abaumann> [aur] is a good idea. I didn't realize linux-pae is actually an AUR package.
[11:45:47] <deep42thought> well, if not it would have been trivial to create it ;-)
[11:45:50] <abaumann> I used some AUR stuff for i686 bootstrapping (like uinit).
[11:46:16] <abaumann> I also used asp and yaourt to check out the proper build descriptions.
[11:46:28] <abaumann> This is something the buildmaster must "learn" in this case. :-)
[11:46:38] <deep42thought> hmm?
[11:47:02] <abaumann> everytime the AUR desciption or the upstream linux package changes, the linux-pae package is built.
[11:47:08] <deep42thought> I'd just use 'git clone https://aur.archlinux.org*.git'
[11:47:19] <deep42thought> ah, hmm
[11:47:37] <deep42thought> we could also flood our database with git repositories for aur packages
[11:47:47] <abaumann> We can also built them manually for now and see how many people actually use them.
[11:48:01] <abaumann> Just having the official [aur] repo ready.
[11:48:27] <deep42thought> on the other hand, I wonder if we really need a repo
[11:48:38] <deep42thought> end users can compile aur stuff just fine on i686
[11:49:02] <deep42thought> ... in contrast to arm, where it might get really slow ...
[11:49:12] <abaumann> that's a good point.
[11:50:12] <abaumann> Does Archlinux itself maintain a list of TU-repos?
[11:50:24] <abaumann> We could also just put some "personal
[11:50:26] <deep42thought> somewhere in the wiki, maybe
[11:50:30] <buildmaster> haskell-hasql-transaction is broken (says eurobuild3).
[11:50:33] <abaumann> *personal repos onto the webpage.
[11:50:53] <deep42thought> you're thinking of your repo?
[11:51:10] <abaumann> ah: https://wiki.archlinux.org
[11:51:11] <phrik> Title:Unofficial user repositories - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
[11:51:34] <abaumann> Everytime somebody asks for a package and is unable to build it, I put it there.
[11:51:46] <abaumann> Opera, Vivaldi, Teamviewer, Skype, etc.
[11:51:52] <deep42thought> and you keep them all up-to-date?
[11:51:58] <abaumann> Well, no.
[11:52:01] <deep42thought> :-D
[11:52:19] <abaumann> Most of them are third-party, and sort of, well, end-of-live-ish.. :-)
[11:52:46] <deep42thought> [graveyard]
[11:53:03] <abaumann> good name :-)
[11:53:22] <abaumann> I usually have an .Attic dir or repo for the very same purpose.
[11:54:27] <abaumann> ok, more thinking required. me off to lunch. :-)
[11:54:34] <deep42thought> guten Hunger!
[11:54:48] <abaumann> Dankesehr. :-)
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[12:03:10] <buildmaster> python-hypothesis is broken (says eurobuild3).
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[12:45:01] <buildmaster> python-mongoengine is broken (says nlopc46).
[12:48:24] <buildmaster> heaptrack is broken (says rechenknecht).
[13:57:09] <buildmaster> kalarm is broken (says buildknecht2).
[13:58:32] <buildmaster> mbox-importer is broken (says buildknecht).
[14:03:55] <buildmaster> deepin-editor is broken (says eurobuild3).
[14:04:26] <deep42thought> !wtf /usr/lib/libwayland-egl.so
[14:04:26] <phrik> deep42thought: extra/wayland
[14:04:33] <deep42thought> buildmaster: wtf /usr/lib/libwayland-egl.so
[14:04:36] <buildmaster> Huh, I don't know that one.
[14:04:44] <deep42thought> buildmaster: wtf libwayland-egl.so
[14:04:52] <buildmaster> [testing] mesa (18.0.3-1.0): /usr/lib/libwayland-egl.so
[14:04:52] <buildmaster> [extra] mesa (18.0.2-1.0): /usr/lib/libwayland-egl.so
[14:04:52] <buildmaster> [extra] qt5-wayland (5.10.1-3.0): /usr/lib/qt/plugins/wayland-graphics-integration-server/libwayland-egl.so
[14:04:52] <buildmaster> [staging] wayland (1.15.0-1.0): /usr/lib/libwayland-egl.so
[14:07:27] <buildmaster> qqc2-desktop-style is broken (says buildknecht).
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[14:10:12] <buildmaster> Hi abaumann!
[14:10:17] <deep42thought> Hi abaumann!
[14:10:20] <abaumann> hi.
[14:11:32] <buildmaster> krita is broken (says rechenknecht).
[14:11:48] <deep42thought> mesa has some files which should actually only be in wayland
[14:15:37] <buildmaster> fluid is broken (says eurobuild3).
[14:16:14] <abaumann> yeah. fluid has the same issue.
[14:16:19] <abaumann> and some others..
[14:18:28] <deep42thought> probably all, that show "dependency" errors
[14:20:21] <buildmaster> discover is broken (says eurobuild3).
[14:20:38] <abaumann> k3b has some required sound library missing, also on 64-bit.
[14:20:38] <deep42thought> noooo
[14:20:42] <abaumann> uh?
[14:20:49] <deep42thought> mesa depends on meson
[14:20:55] <buildmaster> gstreamer is broken (says buildknecht).
[14:21:02] <deep42thought> which cannot be built, because "/usr/lib/libwayland-egl.so exists in both 'wayland' and 'mesa'"
[14:21:26] <abaumann> mmh. quite a disaster.
[14:21:40] <deep42thought> I wonder, why those files are in mesa, in the first place ...
[14:21:51] <abaumann> meson, I'm so happy this *** buildsystem is spreading everywhere..
[14:22:02] <buildmaster> meson is broken (says rechenknecht).
[14:22:06] <abaumann> ah.
[14:22:08] <abaumann> :-)
[14:22:28] <abaumann> meson uses wayland or mesa to draw images while building software? ;-)
[14:24:53] <deep42thought> incredible
[14:25:06] <deep42thought> building mesa fails, too, because of this conflict
[14:26:16] <deep42thought> we need to manually remove these files ...
[14:28:20] <abaumann> what did upstream do?
[14:28:20] <abaumann> did they also remove the files manually?
[14:28:31] <deep42thought> I don't know what went wrong
[14:28:39] <deep42thought> upstream does not have this files
[14:28:43] <deep42thought> maybe they never had
[14:28:52] <deep42thought> maybe they built in a different order
[14:29:09] <deep42thought> mainly, I wanted to compile mesa (again) and see if it creates the files again
[14:29:52] <buildmaster> mksh is broken (says rechenknecht).
[14:30:06] <abaumann> yeah. good idea to rebuild mesa.
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[14:38:54] <buildmaster> qemu is broken (says buildknecht3).
[14:40:43] <deep42thought> !wtf wayland-egl.pc
[14:40:43] <phrik> deep42thought: extra/wayland
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[14:56:12] <buildmaster> Hi abaumann!
[14:58:38] * buildmaster goes insane.
[15:00:08] <deep42thought> btw: it looks like the wayland files have been present upstream in older versions
[15:00:26] * buildmaster resumes sanity.
[15:01:02] <buildmaster> opendht is broken (says buildknecht).
[15:01:48] <abaumann> ah, interesting.
[15:03:29] <deep42thought> I put the old wayland into buildsupport, maybe, mesa built with that lacks the offending files ...
[15:03:49] <deep42thought> seems cleaner than my remove-files-manually-approach
[15:03:52] <buildmaster> plasma5-applets-thermal-monitor is broken (says buildknecht3).
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[15:06:19] <castilma> hi. i'm confused by the i686 only and dualbootable iso choice
[15:06:38] <castilma> dualbootable means x86 and x86_64 support?
[15:06:40] <deep42thought> castilma: the former is for i686, the latter boots on i686 and x86_64
[15:06:45] <castilma> k
[15:06:45] <deep42thought> yes
[15:07:03] <deep42thought> but you can - obviously - only run/install one of both at a time
[15:07:26] <tyzoid> Also note that we don't have x86_64 packages, so if you boot/install an x86_64 system with our -dual iso, you're configuring an Arch Linux system
[15:07:30] <tyzoid> not ArchLinux32x64
[15:07:48] <castilma> saying x86_64 might be better than 'dualbootable', because that has a slightly different meaning
[15:08:03] <tyzoid> castilma: But it can be booted on both i686 and x86_64 machines
[15:08:08] <deep42thought> tyzoid: that would be ArchLinux 2048, then?
[15:08:14] <tyzoid> lol
[15:08:58] <tyzoid> castilma: The -dual cd can boot in both environments - when you install, you have to pick which one you want to run. If you boot with -dual on a 32bit machine, then it won't let you boot 64bit
[15:09:17] <tyzoid> but it's useful if you want to only carry around one iso/install media for mutliple configurations
[15:09:33] <tyzoid> or use it as a recovery cd
[15:10:12] <castilma> k. i have a sth similar to https://www.cnet.com would you recommend arch for that?
[15:10:35] <deep42thought> I'd recommend arch for everything :-)
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[15:12:42] <castilma> a looked at cucumber linux, but the documentation is thin and #cucumberlinux is empty... then i thought about slack, but never used it(same with arch).
[15:13:39] <castilma> what's the official wiki for arch32? the same as normal arch?
[15:13:54] <deep42thought> we don't have our own
[15:14:08] <deep42thought> the official one covers everything, we needed so far
[15:18:13] <abaumann> catilma: vidia GeForce4 Go 420, Nvidia hopefully continues 32-bit support for that.
[15:18:18] <abaumann> *Nvidia
[15:18:57] <deep42thought> also be warned, that arch (in general) is not very beginner friendly, but since you also mentioned slackware, I assume, you factored that in into your choice
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[15:33:01] <buildmaster> pymol is broken (says buildknecht).
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[15:40:37] <castilma> i use linux for 8 years now. I learned how to read the documentation. I have heard about arch for a while (time-sink os; best wiki) and am ready to give it a shot
[15:42:22] <deep42thought> "time-sink os" - I like that label :-)
[15:48:40] <castilma> so, the installation instructions will be the same? or do i have to explicitly add the 32 bit repo?
[15:48:57] <deep42thought> you need to use our mirrors
[15:49:05] <deep42thought> but besides that it should be identical
[15:49:32] <deep42thought> you might be the first one installing archlinux32 from scratch (instead of transitioning from archlinux to archlinux32)
[15:50:00] <deep42thought> so let us know if anything from the official installation guide fails for you
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[16:00:54] <buildmaster> arrayfire is broken (says buildknecht).
[16:01:43] <buildmaster> imagemagick is broken (says nlopc46).
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[16:03:05] <buildmaster> Hi abaumann!
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[16:16:54] <castilma> <pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?search=0x248BF41F9BDD61D41D060AE774EDA3C6B06D0506&op=index> doesn't load. is that a problem on my side?
[16:17:08] <castilma> can i get the key elsewhere?
[16:17:53] <deep42thought> https://ptpb.pw
[16:18:10] <deep42thought> it's probably an issue with the keyserver only
[16:18:23] <deep42thought> ... they tend to become unreliable in the last time ...
[16:19:53] <castilma> thx
[16:20:13] <deep42thought> but this key (and others) should also be in our keyring package
[16:21:38] <tyzoid> deep42thought: I test installation each time we release an iso, so everything should work.
[16:21:56] <deep42thought> ah, good :-)
[16:21:59] <deep42thought> I forgot
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[17:05:03] <castilma> hey, i'm having trouble at booting the install iso.
[17:05:36] <castilma> losetup: /run/archiso/bootmnt/arch/i586/airootfs.sfs: failed to set up loop device: No such fil
[17:05:53] <castilma> it gives me a root shell.
[17:06:57] <castilma> ../arch/ contains i686 and x86_64
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[17:23:53] <buildmaster> mplayer is broken (says buildknecht3).
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[17:30:35] <tyzoid> castilma: Interesting, what's the model computer you're trying to install on?
[17:36:43] <castilma> tyzoid: compaq ctc1000 or so
[17:36:58] <castilma> similar to <https://www.cnet.com/products/hp-compaq-tablet-pc-tc1100/review/>
[17:37:01] <phrik> Title:HP Compaq Tablet PC TC1100 review: HP Compaq Tablet PC TC1100 - CNET (at www.cnet.com)
[17:37:56] <tyzoid> you have a tc1100? or tc1000?
[17:39:51] <castilma> 1000
[17:39:52] <tyzoid> castilma: The difference is pretty large, because the tc1000 has a very different processor, wheras the tc1100 has a Pentium M
[17:40:09] <tyzoid> deep42thought / abaumann: Here's the processor that's in castilma's machine: https://en.wikipedia.org
[17:40:10] <phrik> Title:Transmeta Crusoe - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
[17:40:39] <castilma> hmm
[17:40:57] <castilma> uname says i586...
[17:41:06] <castilma> so, i can't use arch, right?
[17:41:10] <tyzoid> not sure what would cause it to try to load the i586 dir, which iso did you download?
[17:41:49] <castilma> the monthly, may, dual-arch
[17:42:02] <tyzoid> can you try the February -i686 iso?
[17:42:36] <tyzoid> we've had reports of issues on some of the more recent isos, so I want to see if that one works
[17:50:20] <buildmaster> virtualbox is broken (says buildknecht3).
[18:13:34] <castilma> tyzoid: will try. don't know if today
[18:21:27] <buildmaster> chromium is broken (says buildknecht2).
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[19:22:29] <buildmaster> gst-plugins-good is broken (says buildknecht2).
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[19:32:24] <buildmaster> python-factory-boy is broken (says rechenknecht).
[19:35:58] <buildmaster> python-hypothesis is broken (says rechenknecht).
[19:43:30] <buildmaster> nvidia-390xx-utils is broken (says rechenknecht).
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[20:01:32] <buildmaster> Hi abaumann!
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[20:30:40] <buildmaster> firefox is broken (says nlopc46).
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[21:55:35] <buildmaster> Hi abaumann!
[21:56:33] <abaumann> why is there a --enable-multi-arch in glibc/PKBUILD for 32-bit and why is it not disabled in our PKGBUILD diff?
[21:57:58] <abaumann> what exactly is different around lib32 patching in the build scripts?
[22:02:43] * tyzoid has no idea
[22:03:27] <tyzoid> btw, abaumann: #arch-ports is active with some conv. about porting, which you may be interested in
[22:03:46] <abaumann> ah?
[22:03:47] <tyzoid> #archlinux-ports, if the abbreviation causes confusion
[22:04:05] <tyzoid> they were talking risc-v
[22:04:20] <abaumann> that's the next hot architecture :-)
[22:07:28] <tyzoid> abaumann: btw, that channel is still logged: https://mirror.archlinux32.org if you wanted to read up on what all is going on
[22:07:42] <tyzoid> not much yet, from what I can tell, but might be interesting
[22:15:27] <abaumann> nice to see that some porting is going on. :-)
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[23:58:01] <castilma> tyzoid: february iso doesn't work either.
[23:58:07] <castilma> *neither.