#archlinux32 | Logs for 2018-06-16

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[09:46:14] <buildmaster> deep42thought: Your buildslave "buildknecht3" builds some outdated package.
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[11:02:41] <buildmaster> qt5-webengine is broken (says buildknecht3).
[13:02:46] <buildmaster> firefox-developer-edition is broken (says buildknecht).
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[16:14:36] <buildmaster> gsl is broken (says tyzoid-srv0-bs0).
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[17:11:12] <jim_rees> maybe the whole pacman-key --populate ordeal should be documented somewhere?
[17:29:37] <V7> Hey all
[17:29:44] <V7> Could anyone help with xorg ?
[17:30:40] <V7> When I'm executing startx, it shows a wm for a second and then shows black screen.
[17:30:51] <V7> After changing tty from tty1 to tty2 it shows it normally.
[17:31:10] <V7> From tty1 to tty2 and back to tty1 *
[17:32:29] <jim_rees> what does "lspci |grep VGA" say?
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[17:50:06] <V7> jim_rees: No such lspci command
[17:50:13] <V7> oops
[17:50:16] <V7> It was lscpi
[17:50:19] <V7> 1 moment, please
[17:50:39] <V7> jim_rees: http://termbin.com
[17:52:10] <jim_rees> what kernel? uname -a
[17:52:16] <V7> xinitrc is default with only i3 appended: http://termbin.com
[17:52:35] <V7> uname -a: http://termbin.com
[17:53:48] <jim_rees> sounds like a kms bug, kms has not worked right for me on i915 since 4.7
[17:54:31] <jim_rees> do you have xf86-video-intel package installed?
[18:01:11] <V7> Yes
[18:01:13] <V7> jim_rees: ^
[18:02:58] <V7> By the way, it's interesting that when I'm only starting xorg via startx, it hides windows, but I can write on them and I see that cursor changes it self on different type of windows, for exaple terminal and i3-taskbar
[18:03:53] <V7> So, when starting xorg, it shows i3 for a second or less and then hides it or changes something, but in result I don't see anything except cursor, but can interact with windows without seeing them.
[18:04:14] <V7> Only one thing helps: changing tty from other and back. And then it shows i3 properly
[18:04:24] <V7> to other and back *
[18:04:55] <jim_rees> If it were me I would uninstall xf86-video-intel. It's buggy and not really needed any more. But I have no hard evidence that this is your problem.
[18:05:15] <V7> I'll record a video if removing this package won't work
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[18:06:30] <V7> jim_rees: After removig xf86-vide-intel package startx stopped to work
[18:10:53] <jim_rees> It's possible you need a new xorg config file, anything in Xorg log?
[18:11:21] <jim_rees> /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[18:11:52] <jim_rees> But at this point you should probably re-install xf86-video-intel.
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[18:17:44] <buildmaster> Hi deep42thought!
[18:17:59] <deep42thought> jim_rees: well, the pacman stuff should not happen at all
[18:18:06] <deep42thought> and I'm not really sure why it does
[18:18:24] <deep42thought> *pacman-key
[18:20:26] <jim_rees> deep42thought: there's lots of chatter about it in irc logs, which is where I found the fix
[18:20:40] <jim_rees> agreed it "shouldn't" happen
[18:21:33] <deep42thought> what exactly did you do to solve the issue?
[18:21:44] <deep42thought> "pacman-key --refresh-keys" only?
[18:25:29] <jim_rees> I followed V7's advice
[18:25:39] <jim_rees> pacman-key --init && pacman-key --populate archlinux && pacman -Sy archlinux32-keyring && pacman-key --populate archlinux32 && pacman-key --refresh-keys
[18:26:08] <jim_rees> I don't know if all that was necessary but it was sufficient
[18:26:54] <deep42thought> I wonder, why this does not fail on the "pacman -Sy archlinux32-keyring" step - there should be no valid signature for that (if it has not been in the keyring before)
[18:28:12] <deep42thought> thanks, jim_rees, I'll try some subset of these commands in a vm
[18:28:21] <jim_rees> I actually did that with -S (no 'y') don't know if that makes a difference
[18:28:30] <deep42thought> not really
[18:28:43] <jim_rees> Also this was not on an initial install, it was an update
[18:28:48] <jim_rees> after pacman -Syu failed
[18:29:02] <deep42thought> exactly, there was already the "-y"
[18:29:07] <jim_rees> yes
[18:29:13] <jim_rees> that's why I left it out
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[18:30:19] <buildmaster> Hi abaumann!
[18:30:34] <jim_rees> V7: did you get X working again?
[18:30:58] <abaumann> V7: In staging we will get a mesa running in modesetting mode.
[18:31:09] <abaumann> So then the old xorg drivers are no longer needed.
[18:31:20] <V7> jim_rees: I've made some "fix"
[18:31:56] <V7> As I've described later it works when I'm changing tty1 from 1 to 2 and back to 1
[18:31:59] <abaumann> deep42thought: mesa is not patched to not use the swr module which requires AVX.
[18:32:05] <abaumann> *not=>now
[18:32:12] <abaumann> the first not :-)
[18:32:42] <V7> So, I've added to /etc/sudoers command chvt to be abble run without root perms and added "sleep 3 && chvt 2 && chvt 1" and now it works
[18:32:59] <V7> Ha-ha
[18:33:28] <V7> Also, I've installed xf86-video-intel again because I don't know what would work either
[18:34:13] <jim_rees> ugh... maybe try xrandr --auto instead of chvt?
[18:34:44] <jim_rees> but if it works maybe better not to mess with it
[18:38:20] <jim_rees> abaumann: so shouldn't it work without xf86-video-intel?
[18:38:28] <V7> So, now .xinitrc looks like: http://termbin.com
[18:39:09] <V7> Btw startx crashes without intel drivers
[18:39:10] <abaumann> yeah. it should.
[18:39:45] <abaumann> I'm running a i915 without kms and with xf86-video-intel
[18:39:48] <jim_rees> V7: I would remove the final '&' so you're on vt1 when i3 starts
[18:39:50] <abaumann> and xorg 1.20.
[18:39:53] <abaumann> this combination works.
[18:40:14] <jim_rees> I thought i915 required kms regardless?
[18:40:38] <abaumann> ah. I have KMS disabled, since ever.
[18:40:58] <jim_rees> I wish... how? kernel option?
[18:41:04] <abaumann> i915.modeset=0
[18:41:07] <abaumann> nomodeset
[18:41:12] <jim_rees> didn't know that still worked
[18:41:13] <abaumann> something like that.
[18:41:18] <abaumann> hang on.
[18:41:27] <jim_rees> you lucky dog I hate kms
[18:41:27] <abaumann> no.. I actually reomved that after the last update.
[18:41:42] <abaumann> well. non-KMS is basically dead. :-)
[18:41:59] <abaumann> I will soon update to modesetting in xorg 1.20. let's see how that goes. :-)
[18:42:07] <jim_rees> To get reliable operation of i915 I do:
[18:42:13] <jim_rees> 4.14 kernel with patches
[18:42:20] <jim_rees> no intel driver
[18:42:31] <jim_rees> turn of unused video ports
[18:42:57] <jim_rees> "off"
[18:43:08] <jim_rees> kernel opt: video=SVIDEO-1:d
[18:45:38] <deep42thought> I'd put a notice like this: https://ptpb.pw on the news thingy
[18:45:41] <deep42thought> any objections?
[18:46:12] <abaumann> nope. good idea.
[18:46:37] <deep42thought> https://news.archlinux32.org
[18:46:38] <phrik> Title:Archlinux 32 News (at news.archlinux32.org)
[18:46:44] <jim_rees> deep42thought: excellent idea, would have saved me some time
[18:46:51] <deep42thought> jim_rees: sry :-/
[18:47:04] <deep42thought> btw: did you notice, we moved from github to git.archlinux32.org?
[18:47:08] <jim_rees> it's ok, I've been meaning to check out the irc channel for months
[18:47:15] <deep42thought> (I assume you're the jim rees from github)
[18:47:55] <jim_rees> I have a github account but removed my only project after the MS acquisition
[18:48:00] <jim_rees> xfishtank
[18:48:03] <deep42thought> :-D
[18:48:42] <abaumann> :-)
[18:49:22] <jim_rees> which reminds me I need to update the upstream pointer in aur
[18:50:24] <abaumann> ah.. xfishtank.. this brings back memories. :-)
[18:50:48] <jim_rees> It pre-dates X, may be the oldest program I run
[18:50:54] <jim_rees> ok I guess ls is older
[18:57:44] <abaumann> wow: my first wayland experience of the blury kind (in libvirt).. there is a small black line moving from the top to the bottom of the screen.. an homage to old CRT monitors, I suppose. ;-)
[18:58:18] <deep42thought> !grab abaumann
[18:58:18] <phrik> deep42thought: Tada!
[18:58:45] <deep42thought> does it also flicker if you blink fast?
[18:58:58] <abaumann> lol, no.
[18:59:17] <jim_rees> can you distort the line by putting a magnet against the screen?
[18:59:29] <abaumann> :-)
[18:59:34] <deep42thought> and the colors!
[18:59:35] <deep42thought> :-D
[18:59:44] <abaumann> de-gauss. :-)
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[19:13:46] <abaumann> buildmaster: wtf mesa
[19:13:54] <buildmaster> Huh, I don't know that one.
[19:14:18] <abaumann> buildmaster: wtf /usr/lib/dri/swrast_dri.so
[19:14:20] <buildmaster> Huh, I don't know that one.
[19:14:54] <deep42thought> abaumann: tyzoid said, it doesn't work with absolute paths
[19:15:02] <deep42thought> buildmaster: wtf swrast_dri.so
[19:15:03] <buildmaster> [testing] mesa (18.1.1-1.4): /usr/lib/dri/swrast_dri.so
[19:15:03] <buildmaster> [extra] mesa (18.0.4-1.0): /usr/lib/dri/swrast_dri.so
[19:15:03] <buildmaster> [staging] mesa (18.1.1-1.5): /usr/lib/dri/swrast_dri.so
[19:15:10] <abaumann> ah. silly me. :-)
[19:15:22] <deep42thought> buildmaster: wtf usr/lib/dri/swrast_dri.so
[19:15:23] <buildmaster> Huh, I don't know that one.
[19:26:38] <V7> How to reinstall alsa pulseaudio ?
[19:27:01] <V7> I mean, I've changed hardware and got the same archlinux32 from previous mobo
[19:27:10] <V7> So, it works properly, only audio doesn't
[19:27:32] <V7> So, I've investigated that there's something bad with kernel modules. Maybe.
[19:27:45] <V7> alsamixer shows only one column ( beep )
[19:28:04] <V7> Now, I'm trying to "pacman -S --force linux linux-headers mkinitcpio kmod"
[19:28:23] <abaumann> What does lspci and lsusb tell you? what sound devices do you have?
[19:35:50] <V7> abaumann: http://termbin.com
[19:35:59] <V7> http://termbin.com *
[19:36:06] <V7> It shows High Definition Audio
[19:36:46] <abaumann> so. Intel.
[19:36:51] <abaumann> lsmod?
[19:37:02] <abaumann> snd_hda_intel should be loaded
[19:37:31] <abaumann> sorry for the choppy answers.. I'm cooking and watching socker in parallel. :-)
[19:38:59] <abaumann> I have a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa.conf
[19:39:01] <abaumann> options snd_hda_intel index=0
[19:39:01] <abaumann> options snd_usb_audio index=1
[19:39:20] <abaumann> I had to load the modules explicitely.
[19:40:25] <V7> abaumann: No such module's loaded
[19:40:46] <abaumann> aha. so load them with entries in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa.conf
[19:42:12] <V7> abaumann: I have no such file
[19:42:18] <V7> Can I create one ?
[19:42:39] <V7> Also modprobe.d is empty
[19:44:39] <abaumann> yeah. that's the idea.
[19:44:51] <abaumann> create a file there with the contents (options)
[19:53:19] <V7> abaumann: I've created file, but no changes ( after reboot, too )
[19:54:02] <abaumann> if you make a 'modprobe snd_hda_intel' by hand?
[19:54:30] <V7> File looks like: http://termbin.com
[19:54:36] <V7> I'll try now
[19:54:50] <V7> The same
[19:54:55] <V7> 1 column ( beep )
[19:55:05] <abaumann> check you kernel messages with 'dmesg | less'
[19:55:19] <abaumann> do you see some messages related to sound?
[19:56:29] <V7> Nothing related to sound, only audio: http://termbin.com
[19:56:55] <abaumann> ah: snd_hda_codec_realtek is the sound chip :-)
[19:58:03] <V7> Do you have any ideas what could this be ?
[19:58:14] <V7> Btw, thank you very much for trying abaumann, really
[19:58:18] <abaumann> no really.
[19:58:28] <abaumann> sound on Linux is a funny beast. :-)
[19:58:53] <abaumann> https://bbs.archlinux.org
[19:58:54] <phrik> Title:Realtek ALC880 - Alsa sound issues / Newbie Corner / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
[19:59:39] <abaumann> Describes your problem with just one beep.
[19:59:49] <abaumann> rmmod snd_hda_intel ; modprobe snd_hda_intel model=auto
[19:59:52] <abaumann> seems a tipp.
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[20:01:03] <V7> same
[20:01:21] <abaumann> mmh. kernel issue?
[20:01:36] <abaumann> maybe you can try an LTS kernel. Maybe it works there.
[20:08:29] <abaumann> options snd-hda-intel model=3stack
[20:08:41] <abaumann> in the modprobe file. instead of what I told you before
[20:10:16] <V7> Already've tried
[20:10:21] <V7> I'll try to reinstall arch
[20:10:38] <deep42thought> V7: why should that help?
[20:10:43] <abaumann> well. that's most likely not helping.. :-)
[20:10:45] <V7> The main thing is that this OS is from completely different motherboard, so
[20:10:52] <abaumann> https://forum.ubuntu-it.org
[20:10:54] <phrik> Title:[Audio][Risolto] Realtek ALC880 perfettamente funzionante • Forum Ubuntu-it (at forum.ubuntu-it.org)
[20:10:58] <abaumann> it's in Italian though.
[20:11:16] <abaumann> maybe you have to force another model specific to the laptop?
[20:11:45] <V7> This is not a laptop, why do you think it is ?
[20:11:56] <V7> dmesg has anywhere ?
[20:12:15] <abaumann> no, I thought, because mine is a laptop.
[20:12:19] <V7> oh
[20:12:21] <V7> :)
[20:12:23] <abaumann> and I have a similar chip inside.
[20:12:27] <deep42thought> <irony>oh, you're not running on a laptop? this distribution is for laptops only - sry if that was not clear</irony>
[20:12:43] <abaumann> :-)
[20:12:57] * deep42thought is not even sure he owns a laptop
[20:13:09] <abaumann> mine is a netbook techically
[20:13:27] <deep42thought> ah, yeah, I have a eeepc, but it was broken the last time I checked :-)
[20:17:03] <abaumann> I usually like computers with sort of common software from a certain time period. for instance Soundblasters may work better than integrated Intel stuff.
[20:17:29] <abaumann> What's popular has a high likelihood drivers are maintained well even 20 years after release of the hardware.
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[23:23:53] <V7> Oh dear
[23:24:43] <V7> I though an issue was solved, but nope
[23:25:09] <V7> alsamixer shows only one column "BEEP" and this's all
[23:27:23] <jetfrog28> V7: Are you looking at the right sound card?
[23:28:25] <V7> jetfrog28: What do you mean ?
[23:28:26] <V7> :)
[23:28:38] <V7> The main thing is that sound doesn't work
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[23:30:05] <jetfrog28> Can you select any other soundcards in alsamixer with F6?
[23:30:32] <jetfrog28> I probably won't be much help here, to be honest, but I'll try
[23:30:43] <V7> Shows 3 options ( (default), 0 HDA Intel, enter device name... )
[23:30:53] <V7> Thank you very much jetfrog28, really
[23:32:16] <jetfrog28> Have you selected the Intel one? That one has more channels than default for me
[23:33:30] <V7> Yes, nothing changes
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[23:40:32] <jetfrog28> Has sound ever worked on this machine on another distro? If it hasn't my next step would be testing on a Mint Live USB or something, just to make sure the card works and has linux drivers
[23:41:23] <V7> Yes it was :)
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