#archlinux32 | Logs for 2018-06-29

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[02:05:16] <buildmaster> pandoc is broken (says tyzoid-srv0-bs0).
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[08:33:52] <vboxler> Hello, the news Abiword works without problems
[08:33:56] <vboxler> thank you
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[09:02:23] <buildmaster> Hi deep42thought!
[09:02:33] <deep42thought> Hey buildmaster, what's up?
[09:02:33] <buildmaster> up? I'm up for 1 week, 3 days, 2 hours, 37 minutes, load average: 0.42, 0.73, 0.77
[09:02:49] <deep42thought> thx, buildmaster
[09:02:50] <buildmaster> np, Cthulu201
[09:02:50] <buildmaster> np, abaumann
[09:02:50] <buildmaster> np, afeni
[09:02:50] <buildmaster> np, deep42thought
[09:02:50] <buildmaster> np, ubone
[09:02:50] <buildmaster> np, wreo
[09:02:53] <deep42thought> waaah
[09:02:54] <deep42thought> nooo
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[09:12:51] <deep42thought> thx
[09:12:57] <girls> thx, buildmaster
[09:14:19] <deep42thought> hmm, strange
[09:14:20] <buildmaster> np, girls
[09:16:25] <bill-auger> do you guys plan to support pcmciautils - it looks like arch dropped it
[09:17:03] <deep42thought> it's already gone from our repos
[09:17:16] <deep42thought> e.g.: no
[09:19:25] <bill-auger> they called it "ancient technology"
[09:19:52] <deep42thought> hmm, sounds like we might want to keep it
[09:20:13] <deep42thought> but on the other hand, we didn't have any plans to "keep ancient packages that arch dropped"
[09:21:04] <bill-auger> i remeber conversation a while back too about just how old machines that should still be supported
[09:22:06] <bill-auger> i.e. what is the acual minum requrements to boot an base arch32 system today
[09:25:00] <deep42thought> it's not the "ancient" part that we never had in mind - it's the "keep and maintain additional (real) packages"
[09:30:01] <deep42thought> "drop pcmciautils, deprecated tech since 2003"
[09:32:02] <bill-auger> FWIW i have a laptop from 2005 with PCMCIA
[09:32:22] <deep42thought> hmm, archlinux used their own source
[09:32:25] <deep42thought> :-/
[09:32:38] <bill-auger> my thinking is that these 32 bit packages are promarily targeting the pre 64bit era computers
[09:32:49] <deep42thought> yeah
[09:33:16] <bill-auger> PCMCIA slots were very popular on laptops from that era
[09:33:31] <bill-auger> so i would think it should be supported
[09:36:18] <deep42thought> bill-auger: do you want to maintain that package?
[09:36:55] <bill-auger> maybe - there is an open ssue on parabola now - id like to see what the others think about it
[09:36:55] <deep42thought> the last version from archlinux for i686 builds fine
[09:37:00] <deep42thought> but I have no means to test it
[09:37:03] <bill-auger> https://labs.parabola.nu
[09:37:05] <phrik> Title:Bug #1860: [pcmciautils]: missing package from [extra] - dbscripts - Parabola Issue Tracker (at labs.parabola.nu)
[09:37:06] <deep42thought> as I don't have a pcmcia laptop
[09:37:59] <bill-auger> thats why i asked what is the minimum specs to boot arch32 - i have 2 laptops with PCMCIA
[09:38:26] <deep42thought> I think, it is totally fine to have this in our repos _if_ we have someone (like you) to actually maintain it :-)
[09:41:01] <bill-auger> it should keep building and working just fine - it was only removed last week
[09:41:29] <deep42thought> I had to change the source from archlinux' source repository to the kernel mirror
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[09:41:42] <deep42thought> so I'm not 100% sure, we're building the same package as arch did
[09:41:42] <buildmaster> Hi abaumann!
[09:41:45] <deep42thought> Hi abaumann!
[09:41:50] <abaumann> morning. :-)
[09:42:06] <deep42thought> abaumann: your eeepc got pcmcia?
[09:42:18] <abaumann> no, but my Acer Travelmate has. :-)
[09:42:19] <bill-auger> i noticed it was missing today because the ISOs compile support into the initcpio - and i had to remove that hook to continue
[09:42:50] <abaumann> speaking of pcmcia cards.. aeh. I have to dig. There might be an old WLAN PCMCIA card lying around..
[09:43:15] <deep42thought> ok, anyway - I'm only a maintainer's emailaddress apart from reintroducing pcmciautils into [core] :-)
[09:44:33] <abaumann> mmh.. isdn pcmcia card, an early fritz card. :-)
[09:44:38] <bill-auger> i have a wireless G card for that
[09:44:57] <abaumann> wow. G, so fast :-)
[09:45:08] <deep42thought> is isdn still available in switzerland?
[09:45:16] <abaumann> no.
[09:45:26] <abaumann> neither is analog. it's all voip now
[09:45:32] <deep42thought> same here
[09:45:57] <abaumann> so, I have to build my old phone infrastructure. ;-)
[09:46:02] <bill-auger> my biggest problem is that the laptop i have needs a new power jack soldered on the MOBO - so i would not be able to test it for some time
[09:47:07] <abaumann> D-Linkg G WLAN PCMCIA. viola.
[09:47:19] <abaumann> still in it's original box. :-)
[09:47:25] <deep42thought> invaluable
[09:48:27] <abaumann> if it works. :-)
[09:49:07] <abaumann> mmh. I'm missing some 'blinkenlights' :-/
[09:50:29] <abaumann> aha! a green light (power) is on. :-)
[09:51:04] <abaumann> * abaumann just realized, he is now qualified to test PCMCIA stuff
[09:51:12] <deep42thought> :-)
[09:51:17] <bill-auger> you may be the most qualified
[09:51:22] <deep42thought> and the winner is ..... abaumann!
[09:52:59] <deep42thought> abaumann: ok, you're now officially maintaining core/pcmciautils
[09:53:11] <abaumann> grmpf :-)
[09:53:45] <deep42thought> https://git.archlinux32.org
[09:53:46] <phrik> Title:archlinux32/packages: Package customizations and pure-i686 packages - Archlinux32 Gitea (at git.archlinux32.org)
[09:54:00] <abaumann> mmh. this is the Arch version?
[09:54:05] <deep42thought> yes
[09:54:30] <deep42thought> I bumped the pkgrel by 1, because I changed the source
[09:54:35] <deep42thought> location
[09:55:58] <abaumann> https://bugs.archlinux.org
[09:55:58] <phrik> Title:FS#59169 : [abiword] flickers (at bugs.archlinux.org)
[09:56:09] <abaumann> I totally understand eli's point here.
[09:56:28] <abaumann> We could try to cherry-pick SVN commits and apply them to the release.
[09:56:29] <deep42thought> yeah
[09:56:38] <abaumann> Or convince the authors to make a new release.
[09:56:45] <deep42thought> is it fixed in the svn version?
[09:57:05] <abaumann> Yes, at least on my setup the SVN version was not flickering.
[09:57:19] * deep42thought lost track of what version had what issues for whom
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[09:58:25] <deep42thought> I'm in favour of: pushing the authors to make a new release and keeping the patch in the meantime
[09:58:38] <buildmaster> pcmciautils is broken (says rechenknecht).
[09:58:41] <deep42thought> oh
[09:58:47] <abaumann> ah. we keep the patch anyway for 32-bit, as it works.
[09:59:01] <abaumann> ..the very same package.. :-)
[09:59:03] <deep42thought> well, it works without wayland
[09:59:27] <abaumann> yes, and as I never got Wayland working in a satisifying way..
[09:59:28] <deep42thought> abaumann: I believe, your package fails to build - what did you do? ;-)
[09:59:38] <abaumann> lol
[10:00:10] <deep42thought> well, I only tested the build on x86_64
[10:00:54] <abaumann> I'm just building it on 32-bit.. on the very same Acer (which might not be the fastest machine around).
[10:01:50] <deep42thought> buildmaster: wtf sysfs/libsysfs.h
[10:02:10] <deep42thought> !wtf sysfs/libsysfs.h
[10:02:10] <abaumann> mmh. builds without problems..
[10:02:16] <phrik> deep42thought: What the hell is sysfs/libsysfs.h?
[10:02:21] <buildmaster> deep42thought: [core] sysfsutils (2.1.0-10.0): /usr/include/sysfs/libsysfs.h
[10:03:28] <deep42thought> with staging-i686-build it fails
[10:05:29] <deep42thought> in a arch32-vm it works, too
[10:05:37] <deep42thought> I guess some systemd-interference :-/
[10:05:43] <abaumann> src/pccardctl.c:23:10: fatal error: sysfs/libsysfs.h: No such file or directo
[10:05:46] <abaumann> ry
[10:05:48] <abaumann> #include <sysfs/libsysfs.h>
[10:06:25] <abaumann> more a sysfsutils dependency missing
[10:06:32] <deep42thought> it's in base
[10:07:00] <abaumann> right.
[10:07:37] <abaumann> If I check in the mkchroot, there is no sysfsutils installed.
[10:07:46] <deep42thought> yeah, I just noticed, too
[10:07:50] <deep42thought> strange
[10:11:27] <abaumann> when I delete /var/lib/archbuild and reinstall the chroot I cannot see sysfsutils. So, where is this information that sysfsutils belongs to 'base' stored?
[10:11:30] <abaumann> in core.db?
[10:11:43] <deep42thought> in sysfsutils
[10:11:47] <deep42thought> pacman -Qi sysfsutils
[10:12:09] <abaumann> right. and there it says Groups: base
[10:12:14] <deep42thought> exactly
[10:12:33] <deep42thought> is it the only base package that's missing?
[10:12:59] <abaumann> good question.
[10:14:47] <abaumann> dhcpcd
[10:15:56] <abaumann> inetutils
[10:16:14] <abaumann> iproute2
[10:16:40] <abaumann> iputils
[10:16:47] <abaumann> jfsutils
[10:17:04] <abaumann> licenses
[10:17:20] <abaumann> logrotate
[10:17:45] <abaumann> mmh. I don't quite get what gets installed..
[10:18:40] <deep42thought> "pacman -Q" in prepare() gives: https://ptpb.pw
[10:19:39] <deep42thought> and on x86_64: https://ptpb.pw
[10:20:28] <deep42thought> looks totally similar
[10:20:34] <abaumann> yeah.
[10:24:09] <deep42thought> I'll just add a makedepends and open a bug report
[10:25:04] <abaumann> mkinitcpio? was there a pcmcia hook?
[10:25:56] <abaumann> most likely we have to keep that one too..
[10:27:47] <abaumann> wlp6s0: ok, I see a wlan on the pcmcia card.
[10:27:56] <abaumann> but that's most likely the kernels 'fault' :-)
[10:33:40] <deep42thought> I think, it is intentional, that base is not being installed
[10:34:01] <deep42thought> you don't want to install a kernel in each build environment
[10:34:05] <deep42thought> or dhcpcd
[10:34:15] <abaumann> yeah.
[10:34:36] <abaumann> but this makes the rule "Don't add things alread in base to depends" a little bit harder to implemnent.
[10:35:11] <abaumann> base is anyway relative: it contains only the top-level packages which then draw in low-level ones (like act, attr).
[10:35:46] <abaumann> core is also relative: "it contains all to boot the system and build package on it"
[10:35:50] <abaumann> so meson2 is in core?
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[10:35:54] <abaumann> java? etc.
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[10:36:15] <buildmaster> Hi deep42thought!
[10:36:56] <abaumann> *meson
[10:37:19] <deep42thought> well, [core] contains everything, that was deemed the minimal system some ten years ago
[10:37:35] <deep42thought> base is another minimal set
[10:38:06] <deep42thought> just don't add depends to base packages, just makedepends
[10:38:16] <abaumann> ah. ok.
[10:38:25] <deep42thought> I think, that's how it's meant
[10:38:28] <abaumann> pccardctl eject/insert works :-)
[10:38:39] <deep42thought> :-)
[10:39:15] <abaumann> the card cannot connect to my router, but this can be another problem.
[10:39:27] <deep42thought> mac whitelist?
[10:40:28] <abaumann> mmh. some dhcpd errors
[10:43:49] <abaumann> mmh. nope. the carrier doesn't get ready. the dhcp server doesn't see a request..
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[14:16:28] <buildmaster> Hi abaumann!
[14:17:10] <abaumann> deep42thought: the wlan card works. It was set to US regdomain. setting it to Swiss regulatories helped. :-)
[14:17:19] <deep42thought> \o/
[14:20:02] <abaumann> mmh, my eeepc runs on regdomain 0x00. this could explain why I have some connectivity problems.. :-)
[14:20:04] <deep42thought> what speed does it reach?
[14:21:11] <abaumann> mmh. after a reboot it croaks about illegal regulatory in the EEPROM.
[14:21:13] <abaumann> funny.
[14:21:48] <abaumann> iomem=relaxed?
[14:22:18] <deep42thought> and it just doesn't want to relax?
[14:22:20] <abaumann> I remmember, my eeepc is an US import. :-)
[14:23:34] <abaumann> oh. it did.
[14:23:42] <abaumann> I could use ath_info to write to the EEPROM
[14:40:23] <deep42thought> abaumann: can you test eli's fix?
[14:41:14] <abaumann> ah. for abiword. sure.
[14:41:19] <deep42thought> thanks
[14:41:26] <deep42thought> I got some talk to prepare
[14:45:37] <abaumann> wow: the patch is a terminal dump of sorts:contains [[0;32m++ :-)
[14:46:04] <deep42thought> maybe it's essential to apply colors, too?
[14:46:12] <abaumann> for sure. :-)
[14:46:37] <abaumann> nothing a sed can't strip..
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[15:10:33] <abaumann> wget -O patch 'https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/59169?getfile=16541'
[15:10:39] <abaumann> sed -i "s,\x1B\[[0-9;]*[a-zA-Z],,g" patch
[15:10:50] <abaumann> git apply < patch
[15:10:52] <abaumann> well.. :-)
[15:15:50] <deep42thought> now you just need to append those command to our PKGBUILD via fetching them from the irc logs
[15:19:30] <abaumann> :-)
[15:19:44] <abaumann> abiword is building..
[15:20:31] <deep42thought> question is wether it comes with or without strobo effect
[15:21:05] <abaumann> patience, my machine is not the fastest (even though it's 64-bit)
[15:21:16] <deep42thought> ccache :-)
[15:21:40] <elibrokeit> abaumann: oops, did I upload a colordiff
[15:22:34] <abaumann> yeah. no sweat. :-)
[15:24:26] <elibrokeit> I always forget, that my default svn diff is a colordiff wrapper... because svn sucks and has no "pager" setting
[15:25:20] <elibrokeit> fixed
[15:25:32] <elibrokeit> so, you cannot download the old patch
[15:26:16] <abaumann> thanks :-)
[15:28:51] <elibrokeit> in theory I should remember that svdiff is for colorlog, svn diff is for patch generation... but by now svdiff is muscle memory :p
[15:29:20] <elibrokeit> svdiff () { svn diff "$@" | colordiff | diff-highlight | less; }
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[15:59:16] <abaumann> elibrokeit: only a little bit flickering when entering something with the keyboard, but the annoying flickering is gone with your patch.
[15:59:30] <abaumann> I would say, usable.
[16:00:43] <elibrokeit> so this is the upstreaam fix that made the svn version work?
[16:01:01] <elibrokeit> does the debian patch give you better results?
[16:01:06] <abaumann> yes.
[16:01:13] <abaumann> there I see absolutely no flickering.
[16:01:20] <abaumann> also the pure SVN version seems better.
[16:01:29] <abaumann> What's exactly in abiword-fix-flickering-v2.diff?
[16:01:35] <abaumann> an svn diff/
[16:01:40] <elibrokeit> removal of ASCII color codes
[16:01:53] <elibrokeit> and an svn diff containing two svn commits from upstream
[16:01:58] <abaumann> mmh.
[16:02:13] <abaumann> so it should work exactly as abiword-svn from the AUR.
[16:02:18] <elibrokeit> the first one needed to allow the second one to apply
[16:02:27] <elibrokeit> ... unless there's other svn fixes I didn't see
[16:02:42] <elibrokeit> anyway, report your results on the bug ticket
[16:02:48] <abaumann> yep.
[16:03:21] <elibrokeit> and if the svn version is still annoying, reply on the abiword bugtracker mentioning the recent svn commit, and saying it "mostly but not completely" fixed things
[16:03:59] <abaumann> I'll rebuild the abiword-svn version and I'll compare.
[16:55:50] <abaumann> the svn version is absolutely without flickering..
[16:55:55] <abaumann> abiword-svn
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[17:13:26] <abaumann> may I say again how good the Archlinux wiki is: https://wiki.archlinux.org nohwcrypt=1 was the key to get the PCMCIA card running in the end. :-)
[17:17:59] <abaumann> deep42thought: just to satisfy your curiosity, I get roughly 3.6 MBit/s
[17:27:04] <elibrokeit> abaumann: bisect and find the right additional commits?
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[18:35:56] <buildmaster> sagemath is broken (says buildknecht2).
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[19:18:29] <abaumann> deep42thought: just to satisfy your curiosity, I get roughly 3.6 MBit/s
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[20:16:52] <buildmaster> dovecot is broken (says rechenknecht).
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[23:31:00] <buildmaster> archiso is broken (says buildknecht).