#archlinux32 | Logs for 2018-10-17

[00:01:24] <buildmaster> i686/ruby-gpgme is broken (says eurobuild3).
[00:17:44] <buildmaster> i686/recode is broken (says rechenknecht).
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[00:27:31] <buildmaster> i686/v4l-utils are broken (says nlopc46).
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[01:08:01] <buildmaster> i686/libfaketime is broken (says nlopc46).
[01:11:53] <buildmaster> i686/lsof is broken (says buildknecht).
[01:27:56] <buildmaster> i686/alsa-oss are broken (says buildknecht2).
[01:38:58] <buildmaster> i686/fcgiwrap is broken (says nlopc46).
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[02:04:12] <buildmaster> i686/brise is broken (says buildknecht).
[02:09:37] <buildmaster> i686/fluid is broken (says eurobuild3).
[02:11:09] <buildmaster> i686/mda.lv2 is broken (says nlopc46).
[03:06:14] <buildmaster> i686/metalog is broken (says nlopc46).
[03:09:34] <buildmaster> i686/pyflame is broken (says rechenknecht).
[03:14:29] <buildmaster> i686/jalv is broken (says eurobuild3).
[03:17:23] <buildmaster> i686/ckermit is broken (says nlopc46).
[03:22:09] <buildmaster> i686/dvd+rw-tools are broken (says rechenknecht).
[03:31:22] <buildmaster> i686/lbzip2 is broken (says rechenknecht).
[03:49:18] <buildmaster> i686/aide is broken (says nlopc46).
[03:49:21] <buildmaster> i686/thc-ipv6 is broken (says eurobuild3).
[04:00:04] <buildmaster> i686/pdflib-lite is broken (says eurobuild3).
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[04:26:33] <buildmaster> i686/squashfs-tools are broken (says rechenknecht).
[04:36:37] <buildmaster> i686/hardlink is broken (says nlopc46).
[04:37:33] <buildmaster> i686/go-bindata is broken (says rechenknecht).
[04:42:30] <buildmaster> i686/mac is broken (says buildknecht).
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[04:47:36] <buildmaster> i686/mksh is broken (says buildknecht).
[04:50:43] <buildmaster> i686/reptyr is broken (says buildknecht2).
[05:10:50] <buildmaster> i686/cdrdao is broken (says rechenknecht).
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[05:58:54] <buildmaster> i686/stk is broken (says buildknecht2).
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[06:07:56] <buildmaster> i686/dtc is broken (says rechenknecht).
[06:14:57] <buildmaster> i686/rustup is broken (says buildknecht).
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[07:36:28] <buildmaster> i686/flashrom is broken (says eurobuild3).
[08:23:04] <buildmaster> i686/libfbclient is broken (says buildknecht).
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[08:23:21] <buildmaster> Hi deep42thought!
[08:23:21] <buildmaster> !rq deep42thought
[08:23:22] <phrik> buildmaster: <deep42thought> brtln: you're "the arch linux", we're "the other arch linux" and alarm is "arches linux", then?
[08:30:02] <buildmaster> i686/ocaml-easy-format is broken (says rechenknecht).
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[09:09:59] <buildmaster> i686/atop is broken (says rechenknecht).
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[09:26:12] <Xogium> hi folks :) been trying to update a machine that's been running archlinux32 for a while now, and I'm getting pgp errors and mention of corrupted packages, should I upgrade the keyring first, and then proceed with the rest like it used to be done on original arch ? I prefer asking rather than end up in trouble
[09:26:34] <deep42thought> do you use the canadian mirror?
[09:26:43] <Xogium> let me see
[09:27:17] <Xogium> it appears I do
[09:27:24] <deep42thought> remove it
[09:27:30] <Xogium> oh, alright
[09:27:36] <Xogium> so they are corrupted for real
[09:27:39] <deep42thought> yes
[09:27:55] <Xogium> urgh, no fun ! I downloaded over 200 packages
[09:28:14] <deep42thought> the server serves dummy content
[09:28:28] <Xogium> I see
[09:28:30] <deep42thought> e.g. the real size should be sometimes considerably larger
[09:28:51] <Xogium> yeah, a 13 mb kernel ? I was like, uh…
[09:29:01] <deep42thought> we trimmed the config :-)
[09:29:09] <Xogium> ah
[09:29:16] <deep42thought> no, it was a joke ;-)
[09:29:16] <Xogium> config trimming's always fun
[09:29:21] <Xogium> :p
[09:29:28] <Xogium> could have been
[09:30:00] <Xogium> I once tried to set up a kernel starting from tinyconfig for the fun of it. I gave up
[09:30:11] <deep42thought> I have a minimal kernel running
[09:30:31] <Xogium> how big is it ? That is, module side and image side
[09:30:34] <deep42thought> turns out to be annoying if you want to plug in a usb thumb drive and need to recompile just to get it running :-/
[09:30:49] <deep42thought> 9.3M including modules
[09:30:50] <Xogium> yeah hehe but in this case it would be for a router so
[09:31:11] <deep42thought> it was for my fileserver - who could know I'd plug a usb thumb drive to that one
[09:33:22] <Xogium> fair point
[09:34:00] <Xogium> sweet, when I removed the mirror and ran -Syu again pacman redownloads everything but more up to date even… Guess I'll see if I've got to remove anything still
[09:34:19] <Xogium> like the mirror gave me 4.18.5 as kernel earlier and now I,ve gotten 4.18.6
[09:36:19] <Xogium> there we go, libldap and ruberband to remove and download again, rest is alright
[09:36:29] <deep42thought> :-)
[09:37:14] <Xogium> been meaning to ask, but why are you slightly behind arch ? Not annoyed, simply curious :D
[09:37:40] <deep42thought> for multiple reasons
[09:38:12] <deep42thought> first, it's somewhat by design: we build the stable packages (core/extra/community), but they need to transcend our staging and testing before becoming arch32-stable
[09:38:17] <deep42thought> this takes some time
[09:38:34] <Xogium> right
[09:38:52] <deep42thought> second, and more importantly, we lack the manpower to fix all the issues which are created on i686 and those which are left by upstream for us :-)
[09:38:53] <Xogium> so you take the upstream arch package and test in in a 32 bit setup first, got it
[09:39:05] <deep42thought> that's the plan
[09:39:12] <deep42thought> we don't actually do this for all packages, though
[09:39:14] <Xogium> that's a very good idea
[09:39:29] <deep42thought> we check stuff like linking and dependencies
[09:39:41] <deep42thought> and tested packages move on faster than untested ones
[09:39:44] <Xogium> I would have offered to help, if I had a 32 bit machine left… But unfortunately I don't, this is a friend's machine I'm working on
[09:40:21] <Xogium> and while a vm can help detecting most of it, kernel bugs and the likes might be way harder to spot
[09:41:01] <Xogium> oh hmm, btw… It apparently redownloaded both corrupted packages, but still insists that those 2 are bad
[09:41:20] <deep42thought> which packages from which mirror?
[09:41:36] <Xogium> let me put it in verbose mode, sec
[09:42:52] <deep42thought> I guess ,you need to update tyzoid's key
[09:43:12] <deep42thought> "pacman-key --refresh" should do it
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[09:43:55] <Xogium> ah that's probably it
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[09:47:08] <Xogium> here we go, refreshed the keys, now to see if that fix it, somehow I think it will
[09:47:41] <Xogium> still a good thing I came here instead of assuming it was that I just needed to update the keyring first
[09:47:46] <Xogium> :D
[09:47:55] <deep42thought> yes :-D
[09:48:09] <Xogium> the only way that machine can still boot is via pxe
[09:48:17] <deep42thought> this faulty mirror has fooled us a couple of times
[09:49:06] <Xogium> there we go, pacman's all happy right now
[09:49:25] <deep42thought> yay \o/
[09:49:29] <Xogium> :D
[09:49:46] <Xogium> happily eating candies
[09:50:26] <Xogium> I've even made a timer that modify the pacman.conf file to add the easter egg at the right place starting on october 1st and ending on november 1st
[09:51:32] <deep42thought> what easter eggs are to be expected in october?
[09:52:03] <Xogium> and on every debian, ubuntu, fedora or whatever machine I work on I have an alias in my .bashrc, pacman is aliased to echo, 'Y'oure running a debian system, you idiot !'
[09:52:11] <Xogium> hehe, no clue
[09:52:16] <deep42thought> lol
[09:52:24] <Xogium> damn tht pacman reflex
[09:52:38] <Xogium> I absolutely hate apt/apt-get
[09:52:48] <deep42thought> just alias pacman to it then ;-)
[09:53:01] <Xogium> yeah, problem is the options won't match
[09:53:33] <deep42thought> posix should have specified the options for package managers, too
[09:54:43] <buildmaster> i686/cmark-gfm is broken (says nlopc46).
[09:54:58] <Xogium> lol
[09:55:06] <Xogium> at least it would have been standard
[09:56:42] <Xogium> then again we could say I'm all against ubuntu at the very least
[09:57:38] <Xogium> worked on a server, gah, you need to update to 18.04, ok ok, so I update it, barely pay attention while it does because it's got over 1800 packages to upgrade, thanks OVH by the way for a ton of useless softwares on a server
[09:58:11] <Xogium> then I check how the update went, and notice one very important thing: the idiot removed systemd instead of upgrading it and didn't put another init system
[09:58:35] <deep42thought> LOL
[09:58:51] <Xogium> you bsolutely gotta love emergency rsyncing
[09:58:56] <Xogium> *absolutely
[09:58:56] <deep42thought> I thought, debian hat measures to prevent one from uninstalling things like bash and systemd?
[09:59:19] <Xogium> debian might… Ubuntu apparently doesn't, or OVH broke them
[10:00:07] <Xogium> but it's not the first time shit like that happened, to the point where I gave up on even regular upgrade and not dist-upgrade or release upgrade
[10:01:36] <Xogium> guy asked me to update the server so here goes, I run apt-get update and apt-get upgrade, only for mysql sever to be suddenly stopped right in our face, that alone pissed me off, but worse is it was never restarted, apt-get was too dumb to notice, and kept on trying to upgrade things. Results ? 479 broken packages
[10:02:29] <deep42thought> yeah, I don't like automagic software breaking things either - I want to break the stuff myself!
[10:02:38] <Xogium> you gotta love running apt-get fix-broken-install, too
[10:02:52] <Xogium> yay
[10:03:18] <Xogium> speaking of which, I had 3 arch related breakages in 4 years, and they were all my own stupidity
[10:03:24] <Xogium> :D
[10:05:00] <Xogium> like, putting auto instead of noauto in fstab for a webdav mount *cough cough*
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[10:07:55] <buildmaster> Hi deep42thought!
[10:07:55] <buildmaster> !rq deep42thought
[10:07:55] <phrik> buildmaster: <deep42thought> nah, I never ran emacs - it's a nice os, but I couldn't find a suitable editor for it
[10:07:57] <Xogium> yay for a 18 years old machine running arch awesomely !
[10:09:41] <Xogium> hehe nice one about emacs. The simple concept of it made me grimace in disgust. Guess it's not meant for everyone… I stick to good old nano for any text editing, I'm also allergic to vi/vim
[10:13:13] <deep42thought> well, I guess, it's mostly a matter of taste and what you're used to - usually I stick to nano but sometimes also vim
[10:13:25] <Xogium> yeah
[10:13:43] <Xogium> I really tried vim, more than a dozen time
[10:13:59] <Xogium> but I just never managed to get used to how it worked
[10:15:08] <deep42thought> "I'm using vim for a few years now - mostly because I can't figure out how to exit"
[10:15:22] <Xogium> but that's the force of linux in a way. If you don't like something, there's bound to have something you'll find to your taste somewhere
[10:16:10] <Xogium> I honestly can,t speak for bsd or unix systems like solaris
[10:16:15] <Xogium> *can't
[10:16:51] * Xogium gurmbles about non-mechanical keyboard too old to handle 2 keypresses at once
[10:17:08] <Xogium> gurmbles ? Uh… Nah, grumbles that was
[10:17:13] <Xogium> x)
[10:17:17] <deep42thought> :-D
[10:18:06] <Xogium> somehow I have a feeling this will stay. Like in my early years of using english I was always typing prurple and not purple
[10:18:16] <Xogium> and that never left
[10:19:58] <Xogium> it's so funny to see people doing a perfect imitation of a fish when they learn I'm not at all a native english speaker
[10:24:47] <Xogium> yay, I got permission to put arch on all the servers !
[10:24:57] <deep42thought> :-D
[10:25:31] <Xogium> and since I'm not crazy, I will always try stuff in a dev environment before pugrading the production ones… Honestly, why don't companies do that already ? Its just plain logical to me
[10:48:50] <Xogium> urgh. Any way to update a bios without a working pair of eyes ? We're both blind
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[10:51:24] <fatahland> i dont know where to ask so i do it here. can someone add masterpdfeditor package? is has 32bit in here: https://code-industry.net
[10:51:25] <phrik> Title:Master PDF Editor for Linux. Download Master PDF Editor for Linux. (at code-industry.net)
[10:51:59] <fatahland> but it is not installable through pacman
[10:52:00] <deep42thought> fatahland: there is no masterpdfeditor on 64 bit archlinux
[10:52:14] <fatahland> it is in AUR there if i remember
[10:52:28] <deep42thought> you can always just build it from aur
[10:52:40] <deep42thought> just add i686 to the arch=() array and makepkg it
[10:52:43] <fatahland> yes but im lacking this knowledge :)
[10:53:10] <fatahland> can i do this and i asked for edit the package?
[10:53:16] <fatahland> and = when
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[10:53:27] <buildmaster> Hi girls!
[10:53:27] <buildmaster> !rq girls
[10:53:28] <phrik> buildmaster: <girls> I'm married, I don't cook
[10:53:29] <fatahland> when i install through yaourt
[10:53:50] <deep42thought> doesn't yaourt let you inspect/edit the PKGBUILD befor building?
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[10:53:54] <buildmaster> Hi tyzoid!
[10:53:54] <buildmaster> !rq tyzoid
[10:53:55] <deep42thought> I thought, it did ...
[10:53:55] <phrik> buildmaster: <tyzoid> oblivious user is oblivious
[10:54:01] <fatahland> yes this is what i meant :)
[10:54:11] <fatahland> weel i try.
[10:54:17] <fatahland> well*
[10:54:19] <fatahland> thanks!
[10:55:22] <fatahland> for clarification do i need to change this: arch=() to this? arch=(i686)
[10:55:29] <Xogium> ugh, this is precisely why I hate the x86 world, 64 bits or otherwise. Stupid bios bug that can only be fixed with an upgrade I cannot perform
[10:55:29] <deep42thought> yes
[10:55:31] <deep42thought> :-)
[10:55:36] <fatahland> thanks!
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[11:02:04] <deep42thought> Xogium: shouldn't there be a way to flash the bios from a running os?
[11:11:01] <buildmaster> i686/vtk is broken (says buildknecht2).
[11:40:00] <Xogium> deep42thought: heh, haven't found any way
[11:40:13] <Xogium> that's why I took a chance at asking here
[11:41:10] <deep42thought> this channel isn't very active - maybe you should better consult a more-general linux channel?
[11:43:04] <Xogium> hmmm maybe
[11:44:03] <Xogium> in any case, thanks for the awesome help earlier, good old compaq still running like a charm
[11:44:20] <deep42thought> :-) np
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[12:24:54] <buildmaster> i686/simutrans are broken (says eurobuild3).
[12:25:03] <buildmaster> i686/teamspeak3 is broken (says rechenknecht).
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[12:37:29] <buildmaster> i686/glib2 is broken (says nlopc46).
[12:41:57] <buildmaster> i686/p11-kit is broken (says nlopc46).
[12:54:44] <buildmaster> i686/clthreads are broken (says tyzoid-srv0-bs0).
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[12:56:19] <buildmaster> i686/cpp-hocon is broken (says tyzoid-srv0-bs0).
[13:06:19] <buildmaster> i686/facter is broken (says nlopc46).
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[14:56:43] <buildmaster> i686/bigloo is broken (says rechenknecht).
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[15:03:12] <buildmaster> i686/dietlibc is broken (says buildknecht).
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[16:07:37] <buildmaster> i686/texi2html is broken (says rechenknecht).
[16:09:49] <buildmaster> i686/arch-wiki-lite is broken (says nlopc46).
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[18:34:54] <buildmaster> Hi deep42thought!
[18:34:54] <buildmaster> !rq deep42thought
[18:34:54] <phrik> buildmaster: <deep42thought> my cluster of 1k 4/86's will be happy to iterate Maxwell-Vlasov-equations :-D
[18:35:32] <deep42thought> Hmmm, I broke our statistics graph - don't get fooled by it - we don't actually have 20k packages scheduled (I hope)
[19:03:06] <deep42thought> elibrokeit: I have a principal question regarding bugs: is it my duty (as a bug reporter) to report stuff to upperstream or is it the package maintainer's duty to do so?
[19:04:23] <elibrokeit> It's not your "duty", but I encourage users to report directly upstream if they have a reproducible testcase for it being upstream's bug.
[19:04:42] <deep42thought> hmm, ok
[19:05:01] <deep42thought> my problem is, that I have _a_lot_ of "ftbfs" bugs to report
[19:05:04] <elibrokeit> Unlike say Debian, where most users are incompetent and therefore they explicitly request you do not report anything upstream, because they want maintainers to double-check your work
[19:05:16] <deep42thought> lol
[19:05:23] <elibrokeit> if it's changing checksums, that
[19:05:29] <elibrokeit> s clearly not an upstream bug
[19:05:44] <elibrokeit> (except the question of why change tarballs at all)
[19:05:54] <deep42thought> changing once-released tarballs could be considered an upstream bug
[19:05:58] <elibrokeit> gnulib things, are definitely upstream bugs :D
[19:06:19] <deep42thought> my problem is, that it's quite tedious to track all the upstream bug trackers
[19:06:22] <elibrokeit> that's... true... but I have no idea how one deals with that sanely
[19:06:48] <elibrokeit> if you report it to us, the package maintainer will eventually get to it to.
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[19:07:15] <deep42thought> ok, so I'm not annoying the maintainers by reporting clear upstream bugs at archlinux' bugtracker, then?
[19:08:13] <deep42thought> ... because I feel kind of bad, when I report like 20 "this package won't currently build" bug reports within a short time :-/
[19:08:25] <elibrokeit> Well, it doesn't, in fact, build
[19:08:49] <elibrokeit> Even if you report it upstream, we should still fix this by applying the (eventual?) upstream fix
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[19:10:03] <deep42thought> ok, thanks for your support :-)
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[22:29:24] <gazanga> hello! i installed master pdf editor on my machine but now i have a problem that prevent the program from opening: masterpdfeditor5: error while loading shared libraries: libQtSvg.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[22:29:54] <gazanga> what do i need to install to solve this?
[22:31:25] <gazanga> i do not use QT. i'm using lxde so no need it
[22:31:44] <gazanga> is there some tiny package that in it this file exist so i could solve this?
[22:32:11] <deep42thought> buildmaster: wtf libQtSvg.so.4
[22:32:19] <buildmaster> deep42thought: [testing] qt4 (4.8.7-25.0): /usr/lib/libQtSvg.so.4
[22:32:19] <buildmaster> [extra] qt4 (4.8.7-24.0): /usr/lib/libQtSvg.so.4
[22:32:19] <buildmaster> [staging] qt4 (4.8.7-25.1): /usr/lib/libQtSvg.so.4
[22:32:35] <deep42thought> gazanga: you need qt4 :-)
[22:34:46] <elibrokeit> phrik: pkgfile
[22:34:47] <phrik> pkgfile is a tool to find out what package owns a file, even if said package is not installed. pacman -S pkgfile; pkgfile -u; pkgfile <file>
[22:35:02] <deep42thought> whoah
[22:35:06] * deep42thought didn't know that
[22:37:43] <elibrokeit> do you really do full online API search for each thing
[22:38:38] <deep42thought> maybe not "each" but "too many" :-/
[22:42:25] <gazanga> deep42thought: so just pacman -S qt4?
[22:45:30] <deep42thought> yes
[22:47:25] <gazanga> did but still don't work
[22:48:06] <gazanga> deep42thought: well now this is the new error:
[22:48:07] <gazanga> Unable to load library icui18n "Cannot load library icui18n: (icui18n: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory)"
[22:48:20] <deep42thought> gazanga: you need icu
[22:48:33] <gazanga> ok please wait :-)
[22:48:35] <deep42thought> ... isn't that stuff all in the depends=() array?
[22:48:59] <gazanga> i did a workaround. there is no arch32 masterpdfeditor package
[22:49:05] <gazanga> it is only in x64 aur
[22:49:26] <gazanga> so i changed coupel of lines in the PKGBUILD after sum unstructions
[22:49:30] <gazanga> and it installed
[22:49:33] <deep42thought> I would not consider adding "i686" to arch=() a workaround
[22:49:34] <gazanga> but now those error
[22:49:35] <gazanga> s
[22:50:42] <gazanga> well i already have icu installed
[22:54:16] <deep42thought> hmm, I can't find that library either :-/
[22:54:58] <gazanga> deep42thought: wait wait wait it is working!!!1
[22:55:03] <deep42thought> :-D
[22:55:22] <gazanga> the last thing i did is to reinstall icu again
[22:55:27] <gazanga> after that it opens
[22:55:49] <gazanga> don't know it this was solved it or not but now masterpdf works!
[22:55:55] <gazanga> thank you very mush deep42thought
[22:56:06] <deep42thought> yeah, np
[22:56:15] <gazanga> mush = much :)
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[23:14:55] <buildmaster> i686/python-baron is broken (says nlopc46).
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