#archlinux32 | Logs for 2018-10-22

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[01:21:59] <thePiGrepper> hi everyone
[01:22:11] <thePiGrepper> I just tried to update and 'libxinerama-1.1.4-1.1-i686.pkg.tar.xz is corrupted'
[01:22:18] <thePiGrepper> anyone encountered this?
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[03:03:28] <buildmaster> i686/gogglesmm is broken (says buildknecht).
[03:18:36] <buildmaster> i686/ptlib is broken (says buildknecht2).
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[04:41:59] <buildmaster> i686/gpgme is broken (says buildknecht2).
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[07:42:26] <buildmaster> i686/akonadi-notes are broken (says buildknecht2).
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[08:50:29] <buildmaster> Hi deep42thought!
[08:50:29] <buildmaster> !rq deep42thought
[08:50:30] <phrik> buildmaster: <deep42thought> nah, I never ran emacs - it's a nice os, but I couldn't find a suitable editor for it
[09:18:07] <deep42thought> xvfb-run fails on i486 with "NVIDIA OpenGL Driver requires CPUs with SSE to run."
[09:18:20] <deep42thought> and without xvfb-run, I cannot build python :-(
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[13:13:04] <buildmaster> Hi abaumann!
[13:13:04] <buildmaster> !rq abaumann
[13:13:05] <phrik> buildmaster: <abaumann> the better the lint tools of a language, the crappier the language ;-)
[13:14:22] <abaumann> deep42thought: building python without xvfb-run is a way to go, see my diffs at https://git.archlinux32.org
[13:14:23] <phrik> Title:archlinux32/packages: Package customizations and pure-i686 packages - Archlinux32 Gitea (at git.archlinux32.org)
[13:15:32] <abaumann> jdk7 and jdk8 on i486 I will fix, they have some issues probing libattr (jdk7) and both try to remove a non-existing sound library when building the headless package, I want to find the root cause, aka why is this sound library missing in the first place
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[13:39:14] <thePiGrepper> hi, I just tried to update and 'libxinerama-1.1.4-1.1-i686.pkg.tar.xz is corrupted'...
[13:39:31] <deep42thought> which mirror do you use?
[13:40:20] <thePiGrepper> probably https://32.arlm.tyzoid.com
[13:41:02] <thePiGrepper> but it's weird, it had your signature
[13:41:08] <thePiGrepper> how does that work?
[13:41:10] <deep42thought> looks good, here
[13:41:18] <thePiGrepper> let me see
[13:41:33] <deep42thought> what's the exact error message you're getting?
[13:44:37] <thePiGrepper> error: libxinerama: signature from "Erich Eckner (just to sign arch packages) <arch@eckner.net>" is invalid
[13:45:21] <deep42thought> Did you re-download it?
[13:45:32] <deep42thought> maybe it's bad in your cache?
[13:48:21] <thePiGrepper> it worked after redownloading. why did this happened? I didnt stopped it mid-process or anything like that.
[13:49:02] <deep42thought> maybe it got interrupted by something else
[13:49:10] <deep42thought> (connection or server problems)
[14:05:46] <buildmaster> i686/pkgconf is broken (says buildknecht2).
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[14:43:01] <buildmaster> i686/grafana is broken (says rechenknecht).
[14:45:04] <buildmaster> i686/linux is broken (says buildknecht2).
[14:46:12] <buildmaster> i686/haskell-githash is broken (says eurobuild3).
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[15:00:07] <buildmaster> i686/linux-zen is broken (says eurobuild3).
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[15:45:54] <buildmaster> i686/nvidia-390xx-lts are broken (says rechenknecht).
[16:23:20] <buildmaster> i686/teamspeak3 is broken (says eurobuild3).
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[18:19:23] <buildmaster> Hi deep42thought!
[18:19:23] <buildmaster> !rq deep42thought
[18:19:23] <phrik> buildmaster: <deep42thought> so you're a garbage collector?
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[19:05:06] <buildmaster> Hi abaumann!
[19:05:06] <buildmaster> !rq abaumann
[19:05:06] <phrik> buildmaster: <abaumann> since systemd promises to provide stable network names I have never seen so many hopping names from release to release :-)
[19:05:13] <abaumann> hi deep42thought :-)
[19:05:30] <deep42thought> Hi abaumann
[19:05:34] <deep42thought> I'm at dinner, currently
[19:05:45] <abaumann> oh! sorry! enjoy. :-)
[19:11:43] <deep42thought> thanks :-)
[19:13:19] <deep42thought> (I'm back)
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[19:36:03] <deep42thought> btw: I ran "db-update -p" a couple of times to move some problematic packages
[19:36:09] <deep42thought> I hope, nothing important broke :-/
[19:41:19] <abaumann> we'll see :-
[19:41:20] <abaumann> )
[19:41:40] <abaumann> *abaumann: needs a new keyboard, if newlines enter smileys..
[19:41:41] <deep42thought> looks, like I broke your smiley :-D
[19:42:25] <abaumann> it's a "washed" aka refurbished keyboard of a heavy smoker.. seems not to be too clean even after the 3rd rinsing. :-)
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[19:44:02] <deep42thought> :-)
[19:44:22] <deep42thought> btw: did you have any luck with rust?
[19:45:55] <abaumann> no. not so far. the weather was simply too good. :-)
[19:46:02] <deep42thought> :-)
[19:46:09] <abaumann> did you patch python?
[19:46:13] <deep42thought> not yet
[19:46:15] <abaumann> I also wanted to fix jdks.
[19:46:17] <abaumann> ditto
[19:46:18] <deep42thought> just came back to my mind
[19:46:18] <abaumann> :-)
[19:46:30] <deep42thought> enjoy the wather, we're sending rain your way
[19:46:35] <abaumann> yeah. but those 3 are the hot candidates..
[19:46:40] <abaumann> I know.
[19:47:07] <abaumann> it's about time to get some sort of autumn here in Europe..
[19:47:25] <deep42thought> yeah, absolutely
[19:47:40] <deep42thought> the cyclist ways were a lot more empty today :-)
[19:47:45] <deep42thought> looots of space for me :-D
[19:48:22] <abaumann> :-)
[19:49:00] <deep42thought> so, python is patched
[19:49:09] <abaumann> so.. I'll do java..
[19:49:14] <deep42thought> (I tested that patch already earlier that day)
[19:49:17] <deep42thought> ok :-)
[19:49:29] <deep42thought> what's to do about java, actually?
[19:49:31] <abaumann> python2 has a similar patch..
[19:49:36] <deep42thought> ah, the "-f" for "rm" ...
[19:49:45] <abaumann> libsound.so is missing when being deleted for headless packaging.
[19:49:51] <deep42thought> I'll look into this after I send the little ones to bed ...
[19:49:58] <deep42thought> (python2)
[19:50:02] <abaumann> *abaumann sniggers at the thought of sleepy hollow kind of packaging..
[19:50:17] <abaumann> .. and there is an issue around libattr in configure in jdk7
[19:50:25] <abaumann> ok. :-)
[19:57:45] <deep42thought> good night, python - cu tomorrow python2!
[19:57:54] <abaumann> !grab deep42thought
[19:57:54] <phrik> abaumann: Tada!
[19:57:57] <abaumann> lol
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[20:03:41] <deep42thought> do we need to patch python2 actually?
[20:04:04] <deep42thought> looks like it built (without check()) successfully
[20:05:23] <abaumann> ah.. ok.. right.. we don't even run xfrb-run in this case.
[20:06:44] <deep42thought> my i486 build slaves run with "-s :without_check:" currently
[20:06:58] <deep42thought> so they build packages w/o checking and with only a single trial to build
[20:07:03] <deep42thought> ... to accellerate things
[20:07:13] <abaumann> that's actually a very good idea.
[20:07:30] <deep42thought> it has some disadvantages, though
[20:09:00] <abaumann> naa.. not testing never has bad consequences.. ;-)
[20:09:06] <deep42thought> !grab abaumann
[20:09:07] <phrik> deep42thought: 🎉
[20:09:39] <deep42thought> not testing, not cleaning the chroot and not retrying when trivial errors occure
[20:10:00] <deep42thought> (e.g. missing gpg keys which will get downloaded after a failed build)
[20:17:19] <buildmaster> i686/rust is broken (says rechenknecht).
[20:18:50] <deep42thought> whoah
[20:19:20] <abaumann> who would have thought.. :-)
[20:19:29] <deep42thought> on i686?
[20:19:34] <deep42thought> should this be broken?
[20:19:36] <abaumann> uh. ui. :-)
[20:19:38] <abaumann> that's new.
[20:20:59] <abaumann> error: couldn't load codegen backend "/build/rust/src/rustc-1.29.1-src/build/i686-unknown-linux-gnu/stage1/lib/rustlib/i686-unknown-linux-gnu/codegen-backends/librustc_codegen_llvm-llvm.so": "libLLVM-7svn.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
[20:21:07] <abaumann> yeah. this thing is just a mess..
[20:21:14] <deep42thought> hehe
[20:21:17] <abaumann> rewrite librsvg in c and be gone with rust..
[20:21:58] <abaumann> so. I don't like libLLVM-7svn.so, this looks like a really weird library name to me.
[20:22:53] <deep42thought> is this the svn version near version 7 of libLLVM.so or is it the 7svn lib part of llvm?
[20:24:02] <abaumann> but people repeatetly tell you: "yeah.. no worrie git archive is good, building from a tarball with knowledge of the versioning software used at hand.. no worries." la-di-da
[20:24:51] <abaumann> should we just symlink it?
[20:24:53] <deep42thought> btw: that's also something, our tarballer breaks: versioning from git/hg/bzr tags
[20:24:57] <deep42thought> yeah
[20:25:14] <abaumann> https://bugs.archlinux.org
[20:25:15] <phrik> Title:FS#58539 : [llvm] Enable symbol versioning (at bugs.archlinux.org)
[20:25:34] <abaumann> ah.
[20:25:51] <abaumann> so lovely. software can only be built, if a .svn, .git is around.
[20:26:19] <abaumann> so.. it's our fault?
[20:26:40] <deep42thought> no
[20:26:48] <deep42thought> we don't build _that_one_ from our tarballer
[20:26:51] <deep42thought> just keep it in mind
[20:26:58] <abaumann> ah. ok.
[20:27:07] <deep42thought> if you read something like "linux: build failed - cannot determine version" or something
[20:27:17] <abaumann> yeah. right.
[20:27:47] <abaumann> but more subtle stuff can happen: like calculating the number of revisions since the last git tag resulting in a version name or so.
[20:27:57] <abaumann> 2.5.4 being the tag.
[20:28:04] <abaumann> 3 the distance to the last git tag.
[20:28:17] <deep42thought> yeah
[20:28:25] <abaumann> I'm mentioning that one as it is a real-life example of some building breaking in a piece of software..
[20:28:31] <deep42thought> probably, we'll ship kernels some day which are labeled arch-UNKNOWN
[20:28:33] <abaumann> ..I - hum - happen to know.
[20:28:43] <deep42thought> lol
[20:28:45] <abaumann> :-)
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[20:29:24] <deep42thought> I also once built something labeled $pkgname-g.r
[20:29:41] <deep42thought> instead of $pkgname-r12345.g01abde
[20:29:53] <abaumann> yeah. it's an obvious idea.
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[20:31:08] <abaumann> mmh. still gtk2 issues around librsvg of course. so it makes little sense to build jdk7 and jdk8 inside the build system.. we should just be happy with the manually bootstrapped ones for now - I think.
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[20:31:24] <deep42thought> yeah
[20:31:37] <abaumann> and concentrate on rust. :-)
[20:31:38] <deep42thought> rust is a really annoying blocker ...
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[20:32:14] <deep42thought> btw: other stuff needs bootstrapping too (but it's not nearly as important as rust)
[20:32:20] <abaumann> ah. like?
[20:33:15] <deep42thought> hmm, I seem unable to find it :-/
[20:33:30] <deep42thought> maybe, I accidentally solved that knot already :-)
[20:33:43] <deep42thought> but there are a few non-bootstrap problems
[20:33:49] <abaumann> I see quite some pacman-sync's in the broken i486 packages.. what's that about.
[20:34:04] <deep42thought> these are build slaves trying to install i686 packages
[20:34:10] <abaumann> ah. those.
[20:34:13] <deep42thought> no idea, what's going on there
[20:35:02] <abaumann> which reminds me.. a mirror of mine was running out of disk space :-)
[20:35:12] <deep42thought> cleanup
[20:35:31] <abaumann> yeah. And I have spurious DNS lookup errors in my local network..
[20:35:40] <deep42thought> I thought, your mirrors were backed up by petabytes of storage so I mindlessly uploaded everything I compiled to them
[20:36:09] <abaumann> mmh. well LVD SCSI disks are a wee bit limited in their size ;-)
[20:36:16] <deep42thought> nbd
[20:36:22] <abaumann> the only other kind of connector would be PATA.. but..
[20:36:55] <deep42thought> are there external hard drives which can be connected via parallel or serial port?
[20:37:03] <abaumann> I have a gracious 140 GB SCSI hard disk lying around somewhere.. just have to dig for it.
[20:37:15] <abaumann> mmh. external scsi would be an option.
[20:37:40] <abaumann> but this usually results in a big box sitting next to the PC making some awful noise.
[20:37:55] <deep42thought> scsi ssd?
[20:37:57] <abaumann> No, I should either virtualize parts of my infrastructure or modernize it.
[20:38:03] <deep42thought> :-)
[20:38:16] <abaumann> and keep the old machinery for testing only.
[20:38:31] <deep42thought> or put it in vacuum - this will solve the noise issue - but create some heat dissipation problems
[20:38:40] <abaumann> :-)
[20:38:54] <abaumann> I have no vacuum pump at hand..
[20:42:20] <abaumann> I'm really seriously considering a rust to c transpiler..
[20:42:48] <deep42thought> yeah, why not
[20:42:53] <abaumann> https://github.com dependeices GHC 7 *urg*
[20:43:01] <abaumann> OCaml compiler
[20:43:02] <deep42thought> ah, right
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[20:43:05] <abaumann> ok.
[20:43:09] <deep42thought> ghc was another bootstrap thingy :-D
[20:44:14] <abaumann> Maybe we should convert Rust to C using a Go to Vala transpiler written in Ocaml?
[20:44:25] <deep42thought> !grab abaumann
[20:44:25] <phrik> deep42thought: Tada!
[20:46:10] <deep42thought> one day, some genius will prove, that all programming languages are isomorphic and there is actually only _one_ compiler
[20:46:26] <abaumann> !grab deep42thought
[20:46:27] <phrik> abaumann: 🎉
[20:46:31] <abaumann> :-)
[20:46:50] <elibrokeit> abaumann: what's wrong with the bootstrappable-builds.org one I linked?
[20:47:16] <abaumann> That's exacly when computer will realize how ugly the languages humans are using on them are, and start inventing their own..
[20:47:20] <abaumann> *computers
[20:48:20] <abaumann> elibrokeit: they don't work (for me at least on i486)
[20:49:44] <abaumann> i586-linux-gnu-gcc: command not found on i486, well. close :-)
[20:50:42] <abaumann> mmh. I might be able to modify mrustc to support i486-linux-gnu-gcc
[20:54:46] <abaumann> if defined(__i386__)
[20:54:46] <abaumann> # define DEFAULT_TARGET_NAME "i586-linux-gnu"
[20:54:48] <abaumann> yeah. nice.
[20:55:46] <deep42thought> find -type f -exec sed -i s/i586/i486/g {} \;
[20:55:56] <abaumann> yeah. that's what I'm doing right now. :-)
[20:56:47] <abaumann> still. I'm on a native i486 host, why should mrust use a i486-pc-linux-gnu-whatever cross-compile toolchain?
[20:57:33] <deep42thought> maybe it's meant to compile from x86_64 (or i586 or whatever) to some other architecture?
[20:58:07] <abaumann> yeah. I thought, mrust is explicitly for not having to cross-compile..
[20:58:24] <deep42thought> it's just a guess
[20:58:41] <abaumann> I'm sort of lost and swimming. :-)
[20:58:52] <abaumann> so, yeah. it's officially a project now..
[20:59:38] <abaumann> patched. so, let's see what the next iteration brings..
[20:59:47] <deep42thought> :-)
[21:06:35] <abaumann> so. tired. rust well.. :-)
[21:06:47] <deep42thought> good night!
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[22:12:46] <mauros> hello there
[22:13:03] <mauros> anybody runs octopi without gksu?
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