#archlinux32 | Logs for 2018-11-01

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[01:49:01] <buildmaster> i686/haskell-ghc-typelits-natnormalise is broken (says tyzoid-srv0-bs0) - I rescheduled: haskell-optparse-applicative, haskell-tasty, haskell-tasty-hunit.
[01:49:59] <buildmaster> i686/haskell-attoparsec is broken (says nlopc43).
[02:06:58] <buildmaster> i686/haskell-exceptions are broken (says buildknecht).
[02:11:28] <buildmaster> i686/haskell-blaze-html is broken (says rechenknecht) - I rescheduled: haskell-test-framework, haskell-test-framework-hunit, haskell-test-framework-quickcheck2.
[02:12:21] <buildmaster> i686/haskell-decimal is broken (says nlopc43).
[02:25:09] <buildmaster> i686/haskell-base-compat-batteries are broken (says rechenknecht) - I rescheduled: haskell-hspec, haskell-hspec-core.
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[03:12:53] <buildmaster> i686/haskell-src-exts are broken (says tyzoid-srv0-bs0) - I rescheduled: haskell-tasty-golden.
[03:13:09] <buildmaster> i686/haskell-singletons are broken (says nlopc43).
[03:17:07] <buildmaster> i686/c2hs are broken (says eurobuild3) - I rescheduled: haskell-enclosed-exceptions, haskell-lifted-async, haskell-lifted-base, haskell-monad-control, haskell-shelly.
[03:21:44] <buildmaster> i686/haskell-lifted-async is broken (says rechenknecht) - I rescheduled: haskell-tasty-th.
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[05:35:10] <buildmaster> i686/haskell-simple-sendfile is broken (says buildknecht2).
[05:41:12] <buildmaster> i686/haskell-haddock-library is broken (says eurobuild3) - I rescheduled: haskell-parsers, haskell-tree-diff.
[05:44:06] <buildmaster> i686/haskell-http is broken (says buildknecht2).
[05:44:06] <buildmaster> i686/haskell-bsb-http-chunked is broken (says buildknecht).
[05:44:06] <buildmaster> i686/haskell-config-ini is broken (says tyzoid-srv0-bs0).
[05:48:52] <buildmaster> i686/haskell-js-jquery is broken (says eurobuild3) - I rescheduled: haskell-http.
[05:57:43] <buildmaster> i686/haskell-http is broken (says eurobuild3) - I rescheduled: haskell-conduit, haskell-conduit-extra, haskell-simple-sendfile, haskell-warp.
[05:58:46] <buildmaster> i686/haskell-githash is broken (says tyzoid-srv0-bs0).
[06:01:04] <buildmaster> i686/haskell-sbv is broken (says rechenknecht) - I rescheduled: haskell-conduit, haskell-tasty-golden, hlint.
[06:12:39] <buildmaster> i686/haskell-simple-sendfile is broken (says eurobuild3) - I rescheduled: haskell-conduit, haskell-conduit-extra.
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[07:09:59] <mchasard> hi
[07:10:28] <mchasard> i have a manjaro32 with archlinux repositories
[07:10:51] <mchasard> but after an update i can't launch no more x11
[07:11:24] <mchasard> i'm interesting to install arch32
[07:11:59] <mchasard> so the last image iso is dd from 2018/05/02
[07:12:03] <mchasard> is it right
[07:15:57] <noctambulo> deep24thought is who normally answers
[07:16:43] <mchasard> hum ok
[07:16:48] <noctambulo> he always connects
[07:17:08] <mchasard> i can't see him at the moment
[07:17:21] <noctambulo> yeah
[07:17:33] <noctambulo> he connects during the night too
[07:17:52] <noctambulo> i saw him online these days
[07:18:11] <noctambulo> i have archlinux32 installed
[07:19:03] <noctambulo> i'm not a developer, but i can tell you in archlinux original iso the installation is not graphical
[07:19:40] <mchasard> yes i know we have to post install
[07:19:52] <noctambulo> yeah, everything is manually
[07:19:58] <noctambulo> and guides are a mess
[07:20:21] <noctambulo> i did end making an ordered guide that i saved
[07:20:21] <mchasard> i had a manjaro 32 with arch32 repositories
[07:20:41] <noctambulo> yeah, i never used manjaro but i guess its installation is graphical
[07:20:42] <mchasard> and till the last update i can't lanch X11
[07:21:16] <noctambulo> but in the archlinux original iso system everything is manually before intallation and in black screen
[07:21:40] <noctambulo> yeah, updates can fuck up your system
[07:21:58] <noctambulo> that's why i don't like to update
[07:21:59] <mchasard> its the first time its broken
[07:22:20] <noctambulo> i always have problems with some archlinux repositories
[07:22:36] <noctambulo> i even had to disable a repository to be able to install archlinux32
[07:22:58] <mchasard> so what's the best choice if i want to reinstall something ?
[07:23:22] <noctambulo> i use archlinux32 because i'm using a low spec laptop
[07:23:53] <noctambulo> but i had to install yaourt manually and yaourt doesn't have a full support for archlinux32
[07:23:54] <mchasard> me too i have old material
[07:24:21] <noctambulo> well, archlinux32 is very lightweight
[07:24:33] <noctambulo> but you can't count with yaourt
[07:24:40] <noctambulo> in the i386 version
[07:25:08] <noctambulo> doesn't come by default and you have to build the package manually
[07:25:30] <noctambulo> and lots of yaourt apps don't have i386 support
[07:26:18] <noctambulo> archlinux pure iso is not like "Next >" "Next>" and "Finish" wizard installation
[07:26:18] <mchasard> i'm sure its not really a big trouble for my manjaro32
[07:26:40] <mchasard> cause with ttyyy i can navigate in the folder etc ...
[07:27:31] <noctambulo> you can try uninstalling x11 and downloading an older version
[07:28:42] <noctambulo> i tried antergos a long time ago and it was really slow
[07:28:48] <mchasard> you think its due to an x11 update ?
[07:29:20] <noctambulo> well, i assume it because you said it
[07:29:43] <noctambulo> normally when it doesn't give video is because of graphics driver
[07:30:08] <noctambulo> do you have the manjaro iso?
[07:31:12] <mchasard> no i don't keep it sorry
[07:31:52] <mchasard> i'"m desapointed i used it till long time
[07:32:05] <noctambulo> well, if you want to do an archlinux32 full setup i can guide you while you do it
[07:32:35] <noctambulo> if you can connect from another device while you do it
[07:33:31] <mchasard> yes i'm under the same pc but with another distro lubuntu ...but i would like to retrieve manjaro 32
[07:34:08] <noctambulo> so what do you prefer, archlinux original or manjaro?
[07:34:19] <mchasard> you propose me to install a full setup archlinux 32 ?
[07:34:40] <noctambulo> archlinux32 has less support
[07:34:44] <mchasard> manjaro is based on arch so its same for me
[07:35:01] <noctambulo> yeah, and archlinux32 has less support
[07:35:05] <mchasard> but manjaro 32 is no more maintained
[07:35:36] <noctambulo> well, if you don't mind having to compile some programs i suggest you archlinux32
[07:36:33] <mchasard> i have a choice to make ...
[07:36:45] <noctambulo> yeah
[07:36:47] <noctambulo> haha
[07:37:21] <mchasard> i don't know really if my manjaro32 cold be repare
[07:37:28] <mchasard> or not
[07:37:58] <noctambulo> if you are sure of what's the cause of the problem for sure
[07:38:21] <noctambulo> most of the times i didn't get video it was because of graphics drivers
[07:38:41] <noctambulo> and of course, it always takes you to the black tty screen
[07:38:46] <mchasard> i'm not sure i just did an update like usual and the only other thing i have made is to install a new kernel
[07:39:09] <mchasard> but event i launch to the older kernel its te same x11 don't want to laiunch
[07:39:28] <mchasard> yes
[07:39:55] <noctambulo> you would have to try re-installing graphics driver form the live but you don't have the live iso
[07:40:27] <noctambulo> from*
[07:41:12] <mchasard> but it could be made with arch 32 repositories ?
[07:41:33] <mchasard> the X11 reinstall ?
[07:42:27] <noctambulo> well, i don't know manjaro
[07:43:39] <noctambulo> you can give a try
[07:43:55] <noctambulo> anyway you don't have nothing to lose if you saved your documents
[07:44:09] <mchasard> yes why not it demand reflexion
[07:44:41] <mchasard> i have to save my documents
[07:44:52] <noctambulo> for sure ubuntu is based in debian, but debian uses stable packages while ubuntu uses testing packages
[07:45:35] <noctambulo> which means ubuntu packages are more updated than debian packages
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[07:45:37] <buildmaster> Hi abaumann!
[07:45:37] <buildmaster> !rq abaumann
[07:45:38] <phrik> buildmaster: <abaumann> Maybe we should convert Rust to C using a Go to Vala transpiler written in Ocaml?
[07:45:40] <noctambulo> with later versions of packages
[07:45:53] <abaumann> hi there. :-)
[07:46:07] <abaumann> When you say manjaro, you mean https://manjaro32.org
[07:46:12] <phrik> Title:manjaro32.org (at manjaro32.org)
[07:46:35] <abaumann> Both archlinux and manjaro are no longer officially supporting 32-bit, so Archlinux32 and Manjaro32 are trying to fill in the gap.
[07:46:54] <mchasard> yes sure
[07:46:54] <abaumann> Usually 'nomodeset' as kernel option gives you at least a text login.
[07:47:31] <abaumann> Otherwirse we need information about the graphics chip and the errors Xorg.0.log in order to help.
[07:47:32] <mchasard> so its due to the last update
[07:47:49] <abaumann> quite likely, yes.
[07:48:08] <noctambulo> i think it's because of graphics drivers, he probably needs an older version
[07:48:12] <mchasard> so i have to connect me under another device to launch manjaro32 and give you more informations
[07:48:50] <abaumann> Usually the machine boots up fine and has a network connection, just the graphical output is frozen or black.
[07:49:04] <mchasard> yes
[07:49:07] <abaumann> So if you have installed 'ssh', you can boot the machine and fetch the information remotely.
[07:49:55] <mchasard> i don't know really how to make work ssh and even it was install
[07:50:16] <abaumann> Do you know how to add a 'nomodeset' to a grub command line?
[07:50:24] <abaumann> then you can boot the machine into text mode.
[07:50:26] <mchasard> let me boot manjaro32 i'll be back in few minutes
[07:50:31] <abaumann> ok. :-)
[07:50:36] <mchasard> thanks
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[07:53:29] <abaumann> Another cause of trouble lately is on machines without SSE2, so I would also check /proc/cpuinfo for the corresponding flag.
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[07:53:49] <mchasard> hi again
[07:53:53] <abaumann> hi
[07:54:10] <mchasard> so i'm at the tyy
[07:54:28] <mchasard> under manjaro32
[07:54:45] <abaumann> ok. so I would check for (EE) in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[07:55:58] <mchasard> i just open with nano this file
[07:57:13] <mchasard> error not impleme,ted unknown
[07:57:48] <abaumann> lspci: what is the output of VGA?
[07:58:56] <mchasard> is it allways in this log file ?
[07:59:27] <abaumann> no. there is a command on the shell called 'lspci', or 'lspci -v'. I have to know what graphic card you have.
[07:59:37] <mchasard> ok
[08:00:50] <mchasard> intel corp mobilr 945GSE express integrated graphics controller
[08:01:12] <abaumann> ok.
[08:01:20] <abaumann> lsmod | grep drm
[08:01:44] <abaumann> can you see some Intel (i915) or similar drivers?
[08:02:15] <mchasard> yes i 915 drm kms helper
[08:02:38] <mchasard> i have 2 entries
[08:03:03] <abaumann> any messages in 'dmesg | less' like '[drm] ..', especially error messages?
[08:05:04] <mchasard> let me see
[08:06:44] <mchasard> i can see drm but no error with it
[08:07:02] <mchasard> wel intialized
[08:07:12] <mchasard> apparently
[08:07:44] <abaumann> mmh. ok, so kernel-wise things seem to work.
[08:07:48] <mchasard> how to return to prompt
[08:08:00] <abaumann> huh? from where?
[08:08:12] <abaumann> ah. sorry.
[08:08:13] <abaumann> less
[08:08:13] <mchasard> i'm at the end of file
[08:08:17] <abaumann> just type 'q' :-)
[08:08:23] <mchasard> ok
[08:08:30] <mchasard> sorry
[08:08:36] <abaumann> no problem :-)
[08:08:39] <mchasard> so kernel is ok
[08:08:41] <abaumann> can you do:
[08:08:41] <abaumann> cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | curl -F c=@- https://ptpb.pw
[08:08:43] <phrik> Title:pb (at ptpb.pw)
[08:08:55] <abaumann> and give me the reported url into the chat?
[08:10:39] <mchasard> ptpb.pw/r6ma
[08:10:53] <mchasard> its ok ?
[08:10:57] <abaumann> yes.
[08:11:25] <abaumann> mmh. ok. not a single error from X.
[08:11:30] <abaumann> So. Window managers.
[08:11:35] <abaumann> You have lightdm?
[08:11:36] <mchasard> lxde
[08:11:46] <abaumann> sorry. I meant, the greeter.
[08:11:48] <abaumann> login screen.
[08:11:55] <mchasard> normally i have lxdm if i remmeber
[08:12:26] <mchasard> before i arrive to the login screen ... now no more
[08:12:36] <abaumann> What does 'systemctl status lightdm' tell you?
[08:12:53] <abaumann> that's one of the login screen before lxde
[08:13:02] <abaumann> another one would be 'sddm' or 'slim'
[08:13:35] <mchasard> failed to start light display manager
[08:13:43] <abaumann> mmh. though so.
[08:14:02] <mchasard> its due to lightmd ?
[08:14:13] <abaumann> looks like it doesn't want to start.
[08:14:21] <mchasard> ok
[08:14:28] <noctambulo> the display manager depends on the graphics driver
[08:14:37] <abaumann> not really.
[08:14:43] <abaumann> it depends on mesa, gtk, whatever
[08:15:04] <abaumann> lightdm and sddm use a lot of funny libraries. :-)
[08:15:10] <abaumann> slim in my experience always works
[08:15:33] <abaumann> lightdm.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'.
[08:15:35] <abaumann> Failed to start Light Display Manager.
[08:15:39] <mchasard> so i have to change display manager ?
[08:15:46] <abaumann> Yep. Can reproduce it on manjaro32.
[08:15:53] <abaumann> well. that's the last resort.
[08:16:21] <mchasard> i have to install slim instead of lightdm ?
[08:16:47] <abaumann> just wait a sec.
[08:16:49] <mchasard> if it could work ... could you guide me
[08:16:55] <mchasard> please
[08:17:01] <abaumann> I'm trying some right now. so sddm crashes somewere in libQt..
[08:17:26] <mchasard> ok
[08:17:51] <abaumann> yes. I have no luck, but I'm also on 'bochs_drm' on libvirt, so..
[08:17:56] <abaumann> pacman -S slim
[08:18:02] <abaumann> systemctl disable lightdrm
[08:18:08] <abaumann> systemctl enable slim
[08:18:10] <abaumann> systemctl start slim
[08:19:35] <abaumann> as 'root' of course :-
[08:19:37] <abaumann> )
[08:20:06] <mchasard> its ok i have the login screen
[08:20:13] <abaumann> ok.
[08:20:18] <abaumann> see, if you can log in
[08:20:23] <mchasard> but failed to execute session
[08:20:52] <abaumann> mmh. do you have a file in the home of your user called '.xinitrc'
[08:21:00] <mchasard> failed to execute login command
[08:21:06] <abaumann> there you must have a 'exec startlxde' or something similar
[08:21:19] <abaumann> /home/<yourloginuser>/.xinitrc that is.
[08:22:04] <abaumann> I don't remember, but the default windows manager might be 'twm' or something similar..
[08:23:10] <mchasard> it seems that its e new file i enter nano /home/pierre/.xinitrc
[08:23:37] <mchasard> i have to enter the <pierre> instead of pierre ?
[08:23:43] <abaumann> no.
[08:23:44] <abaumann> sorry.
[08:23:50] <mchasard> ok
[08:23:54] <abaumann> that was just my expression in syntax. :-)
[08:24:00] <mchasard> sorry
[08:24:07] <abaumann> /home/pierre/.xinitrc
[08:24:10] <abaumann> easy. :-)
[08:25:03] <mchasard> i have an empty file strange
[08:25:36] <mchasard> no file
[08:26:28] <abaumann> mmh.
[08:26:37] <abaumann> strange. it should also work without an .xinitrc
[08:27:22] <abaumann> aha.
[08:27:26] <abaumann> no the file is necessary.
[08:27:38] <abaumann> it must have the permission of the user login in.
[08:27:44] <mchasard> so i have to create it ?
[08:27:47] <abaumann> yes.
[08:28:03] <mchasard> with which arguments ?
[08:28:21] <abaumann> just edit it with nano and write 'exec startlxde' into it.
[08:29:27] <mchasard> ok
[08:29:35] <abaumann> try to login now
[08:30:41] <mchasard> but the systemctl start slim don't work now
[08:31:07] <abaumann> It should still be somewhere: Ctrl-Alt-F7 or so
[08:31:36] <mchasard> ok i have the login manager
[08:31:40] <abaumann> :-)
[08:31:55] <mchasard> same failed to execute command
[08:32:24] <abaumann> ah. there is a /var/log/slim.log logfile
[08:32:31] <abaumann> head for errors in there.
[08:33:35] <mchasard> waiting for x server to begin accepting connexions
[08:33:45] <mchasard> waiting for x server to shut down
[08:33:59] <mchasard> slim : before those messages
[08:35:10] <abaumann> you really have a /home/pierre/.xinitrc and it's readable by your user?
[08:35:15] <abaumann> ls -al /home/pierre/.xinitrc
[08:36:33] <mchasard> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 17
[08:36:49] <abaumann> ah. :-)
[08:36:56] <abaumann> what's the command 'id' telling you?
[08:37:20] <abaumann> should be something like: uid=1000(abaumann) gid=1000(abaumann) groups=1000(abaumann)
[08:38:06] <mchasard> uid=1000(pierre) gid=1000(pierre groupes=1000(pierre), 7( lp) etc ...
[08:38:19] <abaumann> chown pierre:pierre /home/pierre/.xinitrc
[08:39:01] <abaumann> and verify the contents of the file with
[08:39:04] <abaumann> cat /home/pierre/.xinitrc
[08:39:08] <mchasard> ok
[08:39:50] <mchasard> 'exec startlxde'
[08:40:29] <abaumann> systemctl stop slim
[08:40:32] <abaumann> systemctl start slim
[08:40:39] <abaumann> just for paranoia reasons. :-)
[08:41:41] <mchasard> same failed to execute login command
[08:42:57] <abaumann> mmh. so 'startlxde' is broken too?
[08:42:58] <mchasard> strange :-)
[08:42:59] <abaumann> ldd /usr/bin/lxsession | grep found
[08:43:33] <mchasard> ok done
[08:43:38] <abaumann> should be empty
[08:44:24] <mchasard> i have to verify that where ?
[08:44:37] <mchasard> if it should be empty ?
[08:44:49] <abaumann> ah. if you execute 'ldd /usr/bin/lxsession | grep found' and you have no feedback on the screen, the everything is ok :-)
[08:45:02] <mchasard> lol ok sorry
[08:47:00] <abaumann> mmh. this is really annoying.
[08:48:58] <mchasard> may be i had slim at the begining and recently i have install lightdm ... but it still not the troubles now ?
[08:49:31] <abaumann> journalctl -b0 -l |grep slim
[08:49:39] <mchasard> its why you found lightdm
[08:49:46] <abaumann> ah. waut.
[08:50:50] <abaumann> journalctl -b0 -l |grep slim | curl -F c=@- https://ptpb.pw
[08:50:51] <phrik> Title:pb (at ptpb.pw)
[08:51:11] <abaumann> sorry for the rather cryptic commands. :-)
[08:52:30] <mchasard> https://ptpb.pw
[08:53:17] <mchasard> no problems
[08:53:39] <abaumann> nov. 01 08:41:35 eeepc slim[1066]: /home/pierre/.xinitrc: ligne 1: exec startlxde : commande introuvable
[08:53:52] <abaumann> your machine has the same name as my EEEPC :-)
[08:54:14] <mchasard> its an assus eeebox
[08:54:25] <abaumann> mine is a ASUS EEEPC 701.
[08:54:31] <abaumann> One of the first ones. :-)
[08:54:31] <mchasard> its a small desktop
[08:54:34] <abaumann> ah.
[08:54:44] <mchasard> but i have also an asus eeepc 701
[08:54:54] <mchasard> the first one lol
[08:55:21] <abaumann> :-)
[08:56:45] <abaumann> pacman -Q | grep lxde-common
[08:56:49] <mchasard> it doesn't find the exec lxde command ?
[08:56:57] <abaumann> just to make sure '/usr/bin/startlxde' is actually installed.
[08:57:11] <abaumann> yeah. that's what we should check now.
[08:58:14] <mchasard> lxde-common 0.99.2-1.8
[08:59:08] <abaumann> mmh. so. the command is around.
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[09:00:05] <buildmaster> Hi deep42thought!
[09:00:05] <buildmaster> !rq deep42thought
[09:00:06] <phrik> buildmaster: <deep42thought> so you're a garbage collector?
[09:00:27] <abaumann> hi deep42thought
[09:00:35] <deep42thought> Hi abaumann
[09:00:39] * deep42thought reads the logs
[09:01:00] <mchasard> hi deep42thought
[09:02:45] <mchasard> maybe should i change windows manager ?
[09:04:03] <deep42thought> maybe just reinstall lxde?
[09:04:13] <deep42thought> maybe some file got corrupted
[09:04:43] <abaumann> xinit /usr/bin/startlxde
[09:05:13] <abaumann> but I'm not sure if this works anymore as normal user, with all the S-bit disaster in Xorg lately :->
[09:05:26] <deep42thought> why not run it as root for a test?
[09:05:45] <abaumann> yeah.
[09:05:46] <abaumann> sure
[09:05:54] <abaumann> then at least we get some decent error messages.
[09:06:13] <mchasard> no protocol specified unable to connect to x server ressources remporarily unavailable
[09:06:25] <abaumann> ah. you have to stop slim first
[09:06:28] <abaumann> systemctl stop slim
[09:06:33] <abaumann> X is still running
[09:08:00] <mchasard> i have something i retrieve lxde session now
[09:09:05] <mchasard> but my keyboard and mouse seems not to be accessable
[09:09:20] <mchasard> should i reboot to see if its ok ?
[09:09:33] <mchasard> i'm under an lxde session now
[09:09:41] <abaumann> so, lxde starts
[09:09:43] <abaumann> yeah.
[09:09:45] <mchasard> yes
[09:09:48] <abaumann> let's try a reboot.
[09:09:50] <mchasard> i reboot
[09:09:59] <deep42thought> enable slim first!
[09:10:11] <abaumann> systemctl enable slim
[09:10:14] <mchasard> arf too late
[09:10:19] <deep42thought> np
[09:10:26] <deep42thought> you can still start it manually
[09:10:38] <deep42thought> it just won't autostart
[09:10:55] <mchasard> ok
[09:12:09] <mchasard> i have the slim manager but failde to connect
[09:12:10] <mchasard> same
[09:12:14] <mchasard> again
[09:12:37] <abaumann> mmh. so 'exec /usr/bin/startlxde' in .xinitrc?
[09:12:46] <abaumann> sounds weird. but.
[09:12:55] <mchasard> i don't have acces to ttyy
[09:13:11] <deep42thought> how so?
[09:13:17] <abaumann> Ctrl-Alt-F1, Ctrl-Alt-F2 or so?
[09:13:17] <mchasard> i have to reboot again
[09:13:33] <mchasard> no more
[09:14:03] <mchasard> let me reboot
[09:14:10] <mchasard> it arrived
[09:14:21] <abaumann> startlxde is a script, which the start xsession. Manually xinit works. not inside a window manager. permissions? so, reainstalling lxde might be an idea..
[09:14:33] <abaumann> *then starts
[09:14:41] <mchasard> i restart now
[09:14:59] <mchasard> i'm under slim login session
[09:15:11] <mchasard> i can access to ttyy
[09:15:12] <mchasard> now
[09:15:33] <mchasard> so we should reinstall lxde ?
[09:15:48] <deep42thought> just run 'pacman -S lxde'
[09:15:54] <deep42thought> no configuration should be needed
[09:17:05] <mchasard> reinstallation
[09:17:27] <mchasard> ok done
[09:17:38] <mchasard> should i reboot or just login ?
[09:17:43] <mchasard> to slim
[09:18:25] <abaumann> well.. you can try to login, if it still fails, reboot.. :-)
[09:18:36] <mchasard> failed also
[09:18:41] <mchasard> i reboot
[09:20:24] <mchasard> idem the same failed to execute command
[09:20:35] <mchasard> login command
[09:21:23] <mchasard> strange
[09:21:28] <mchasard> after a reinstall
[09:21:34] <abaumann> I like strange.. :-)
[09:21:42] <abaumann> ..especially if it works now.
[09:22:03] <mchasard> it works when we launch manually ?
[09:22:52] <deep42thought> did you (successfully) launch as root or as pierre?
[09:22:53] <mchasard> xinit /usr/bin /startlxde ?
[09:23:09] <deep42thought> w/o the space
[09:23:10] <abaumann> without the space, yes
[09:23:12] <abaumann> lol :-)
[09:23:13] <mchasard> i try only as pierre
[09:23:17] <deep42thought> ok
[09:24:31] <mchasard> i just tried as root same
[09:27:07] <mchasard> how to run manuelly lxde session like just before ?
[09:27:13] <mchasard> i didn't remember
[09:27:48] <deep42thought> https://mirror.archlinux32.org
[09:27:48] <phrik> Title:#archlinux32 | Logs for 2018-11-01 (at mirror.archlinux32.org)
[09:28:02] <deep42thought> my memory extension ^
[09:28:42] <mchasard> ok
[09:30:48] <mchasard> pl i reproduce it
[09:33:29] <mchasard> ok thanks
[09:34:04] <mchasard> i have to go ... manyn thanks to you i'll come later
[09:34:09] <deep42thought> cu later
[09:34:14] <mchasard> ok
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[09:36:50] <abaumann> mmh. the problem is not solved.. I have to ponder..
[09:37:30] <deep42thought> maybe startlxde works if running from a tty, but not if running with diconnected stdio and stdout?
[09:37:48] <deep42thought> or some other environment slipping through :-/
[09:38:01] <deep42thought> or some systemd-magic, aka private-/tmp or whatever
[09:38:09] <abaumann> What's really weird, on my VM slim and LXDE work without any problems.
[09:38:36] <abaumann> I wonder, if there is a difference between manjaro32 and Archlinux32 in those regards?
[09:38:57] <deep42thought> is manjaro32 still maintained?
[09:39:04] <abaumann> good question
[09:39:15] <deep42thought> I thought, they dropped the manjaro32 repository
[09:39:22] <deep42thought> but I'm not sure about the other repositories
[09:39:29] <deep42thought> and what modifications they apply there
[09:40:45] <deep42thought> here you go: https://mirror.archlinux32.org
[09:40:47] <phrik> Title:#archlinux32 | Logs for 2018-10-23 (at mirror.archlinux32.org)
[09:40:56] <deep42thought> lol, it was even mchasard back then :-D
[09:41:19] <abaumann> good memory system. :-)
[09:41:33] <abaumann> ok. that explains something.
[09:41:34] <deep42thought> yeah, it's even searchable by regexes :-D
[09:41:44] <abaumann> wow! modern. :-)
[09:41:53] <deep42thought> well, not modern, but flexible ;-)
[10:06:26] <buildmaster> i686/haskell-bsb-http-chunked is broken (says eurobuild3).
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[10:14:54] <buildmaster> i686/haskell-http is broken (says rechenknecht) - I rescheduled: haskell-conduit, haskell-conduit-extra, haskell-simple-sendfile, haskell-warp.
[10:21:21] <buildmaster> i686/haskell-simple-sendfile is broken (says rechenknecht) - I rescheduled: haskell-conduit, haskell-conduit-extra.
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[10:26:11] <buildmaster> i686/haskell-js-jquery is broken (says tyzoid-srv0-bs0).
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[11:46:11] <elibrokeit> wait what
[11:46:30] <deep42thought> hmm?
[11:46:45] <elibrokeit> so people are using an unofficial derivative of an unofficial derivative and being surprised when it fails?
[11:47:01] <elibrokeit> how does this manjaro32 thing even work out???
[11:47:03] <deep42thought> who is unofficial?
[11:47:29] <deep42thought> I think, manjaro provides their own repository plus some original packages from archlinux
[11:47:37] <deep42thought> (I'm not sure if they rebuild or copy those)
[11:47:50] <deep42thought> and manjaro32 does/did the same for archlinux32
[11:48:33] <elibrokeit> archlinux32 is already the efforts of barely a handful of people to port all of archlinux to 32-bit, and has enough staffing troubles already, so once manjaro drops 32-bit support someone tries to port manjaro to using archlinux32 as a form of super-indirection?
[11:48:53] <deep42thought> yeah
[11:49:20] <deep42thought> the question is, if all derivates must have less users and developers than the original
[11:49:30] <elibrokeit> I wonder how bad *their* staffing issues are...
[11:49:34] <deep42thought> I could imagine, that manjaro32 has more "devs" than archlinux32 ;-)
[11:50:20] <elibrokeit> at least parabola just adds a custom repo, manjaro rebuilds half the packages then cp's them disjointedly into three different repository groups
[11:51:00] <deep42thought> I really don't know how it all works (or is supposed to work) behind the scenes
[13:19:15] <buildmaster> i686/deepin-daemon is broken (says buildknecht2).
[13:20:03] <buildmaster> i686/startdde is broken (says rechenknecht).
[13:23:16] <buildmaster> i686/python-paste is broken (says eurobuild3).
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[17:21:16] <buildmaster> i686/haskell-servant is broken (says eurobuild3) - I rescheduled: haskell-aeson-compat.
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[18:11:10] <buildmaster> i686/haskell-sbv is broken (says buildknecht2) - I rescheduled: haskell-conduit, haskell-cpphs, haskell-tasty-golden, haskell-yaml, hlint.
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[18:23:03] <buildmaster> i686/haskell-tree-diff is broken (says eurobuild3).
[18:36:41] <buildmaster> i686/shellcheck is broken (says buildknecht2).
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[19:38:04] <buildmaster> Hi abaumann!
[19:38:04] <buildmaster> !rq abaumann
[19:38:06] <phrik> buildmaster: <abaumann> wow: my first wayland experience of the blury kind (in libvirt).. there is a small black line moving from the top to the bottom of the screen.. an homage to old CRT monitors, I suppose. ;-)
[19:38:08] <abaumann> argh.
[19:38:09] <abaumann> DEBUG:cargo: handle_error; err=CliError { error: ChainedError { error: Failed to parse registry's information for: serde, cause: InvalidVersionRequirement }, unknown: true, exit_code: 101 }
[19:38:26] <abaumann> cargo is one of the worst software I have seen in a long time..
[19:40:25] <abaumann> I compiled half a dozens rusts/cargos or took some from slackware and various sources. They all seem to run till cargo tries to download outdated information or has hickups in either ssl or libgit2. I would prefer a "download manually", then build mode. This is the github software distibution instead of release anti-pattern at extremis.
[19:44:06] <abaumann> For me it would be logical to version also the crates and the downloadable artifacts, if they can get incompatible between version 1.19.1 and 1.19.2 for instance.
[19:45:31] <abaumann> They should use 'git' and not libgit2. git is known to work reliable since a long time. libgit2 always had and still has issues..
[19:46:17] <abaumann> putting a squid proxy inbetween the broken libgit2/ssl combo and github seems to mitigate the problem a little bit.
[19:47:03] <abaumann> The last resort would be to write a C-only stub library for librsvg for bootstrapping and hope nobody will write anything serious in rust in the future.
[19:47:33] <abaumann> * abaumann ends the now already too long "rant-of-the-day" :-)
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[20:06:41] <elibrokeit> abaumann: in theory, cargo can do totally offline builds. Mozilla actually does this for their firefox/thunderbird code, which ships all dependencies in the firefox/thunderbird source tarball
[20:07:07] <elibrokeit> establishing the cargo cache is obviously another issue, though
[20:07:38] <elibrokeit> also, pinned dependencies prevents unstable hiccups I guess
[20:22:34] <buildmaster> i686/haskell-retry is broken (says rechenknecht).
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[20:42:55] <buildmaster> i686/haskell-hjsonschema is broken (says buildknecht2).
[20:48:35] <buildmaster> i686/haskell-http-conduit is broken (says buildknecht) - I rescheduled: haskell-simple-sendfile, haskell-warp, haskell-warp-tls.
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[20:58:27] <buildmaster> i686/haskell-hpack is broken (says tyzoid-srv0-bs0) - I rescheduled: haskell-src-meta.
[21:02:17] <buildmaster> i686/haskell-swagger2 is broken (says rechenknecht) - I rescheduled: haskell-aeson-qq, haskell-src-meta.
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