#archlinux32 | Logs for 2018-11-20

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[08:30:45] <buildmaster> i686/rhythmbox is broken (says eurobuild3).
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[12:45:15] <thePiGrepper> hi. did you know that libreoffice deprecated its 32-bit build?
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[17:25:09] <vboxler> Hello, how can i solved this problem?
[17:25:16] <vboxler> Fehler: Konnte Datei 'core.db' nicht von archlinux32.vollzornbrot.de übertragen : Connection timed out after 10000 milliseconds
[17:25:18] <vboxler> Fehler: Konnte core nicht aktualisieren (Fehler in der Bibliothek für Downloads)
[17:25:19] <vboxler> Fehler: Konnte Datei 'extra.db' nicht von archlinux32.vollzornbrot.de übertragen : Connection timed out after 10000 milliseconds
[17:25:20] <vboxler> Fehler: Konnte extra nicht aktualisieren (Fehler in der Bibliothek für Downloads)
[17:26:46] <vboxler> i use this mirrorlist https://git.archlinux32.org
[17:28:46] <vboxler> cat /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist
[17:28:48] <vboxler> ## Germany
[17:28:49] <vboxler> Server = http://archlinux32.vollzornbrot.de
[17:29:09] <vboxler> should i change the list?
[17:34:03] <vboxler> i have change the list, and so solved the problem
[17:34:06] <vboxler> cu
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[18:17:00] <buildmaster> Hi abaumann!
[18:17:01] <buildmaster> !rq abaumann
[18:17:01] <phrik> buildmaster: <abaumann> I hope M$ aquired only the Github service and not the data. :->
[18:17:17] <abaumann> vboxler: yep, archlinux32.vollzornbrot.de seems to be currently down. Take another mirror.
[18:18:40] <abaumann> Also notable is that with LibreOffice 6.2, Linux x86 32-bit builds are considered deprecated. In a future release they may drop the Linux x86 32-bit builds entirely from the release images they provide though it may still be possible to compile for x86 32-bit from source. "
[18:18:49] <abaumann> yeah. well doens't sound so bad. :-)
[18:19:23] <abaumann> there is abiword and gnumeric, so..
[18:20:23] <thePiGrepper> abaumann: really? not so bad? it seems at least 'kinda bad' to me. lol
[18:20:42] <abaumann> yeah. but mozilla doens't build currently too, so..
[18:20:59] <abaumann> all major suits and productivity tools will disappear, so will Xorg and window managers..
[18:21:15] <abaumann> ..for 32 bit that is :-)
[18:21:20] <thePiGrepper> abaumann: hmm, well, yeah 'there are worst problems right now' seems like an appropiate comment
[18:21:24] <thePiGrepper> *worse
[18:22:03] <abaumann> and we have some build instructure which gets into old age.. :-)
[18:22:09] <abaumann> *infrastructure
[18:22:36] <thePiGrepper> abaumann: should a 5 years estimate for a partial deprecation of x86 32-bit core software seems accurate to you? Im starting to fear that
[18:22:52] <abaumann> 5 years.. that's optimistic, I'm afraid.
[18:23:09] <abaumann> I see clear rotting (aka micro-optimization into the direction of 64-bit Intel only)
[18:23:10] <thePiGrepper> abaumann: hm, yeap, I thought so...
[18:23:43] <thePiGrepper> firefox isnt building??
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[18:23:56] <abaumann> let's say, a nas or firewall will most likely still work then, but if a 32-bit laptop still will be usable?
[18:24:08] <abaumann> firefox goes into all kinds of out-of-memory.
[18:24:20] <abaumann> The official documentation says: you need 6 GB of RAM to build it. :-)
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[18:24:31] <thePiGrepper> ... really??
[18:24:41] <abaumann> but, to be fair: they still have 32-bit Intel binaries for download.
[18:24:54] <abaumann> so, firefox-bin and thunderbird-bin are an alternative..
[18:25:03] <thePiGrepper> how do they build those with their 32bit systems with 6gb of ram?
[18:25:04] <thePiGrepper> lol
[18:25:12] <abaumann> good.. very good question..
[18:25:28] <abaumann> documentation is.. *cough* .. not very good.
[18:25:52] <abaumann> the cross-compilation guide still doesn't mention rust for instance.
[18:26:06] <abaumann> (if somebody else knows something else, I'll stand corrected)
[18:26:49] <thePiGrepper> posting a PR to the rust developers(cargo developers??) about cross-compilation seems like a good idea
[18:29:00] <thePiGrepper> it would be *really* sad if most of the support for 32-bit systems ends in less than half a decade... since when is that firefox build issue happening? since the first quantum release?
[18:29:32] <abaumann> as far as I can remember in Archlinux32.. don't know about the status before..
[18:29:55] <abaumann> acutally, the big problem is libxul.so using humongous amouns of memory while linking.
[18:30:05] <abaumann> I think, this is also partially binutils fault there.
[18:30:32] <abaumann> same for virtualbox (the web service)
[18:30:53] <abaumann> linking incrementally is an option..
[18:31:48] <thePiGrepper> that seems like a good idea that might solve the issue.
[18:32:14] <thePiGrepper> is that library the only problem with the building process?
[18:32:34] <abaumann> yeah. for i686 pretty much.
[18:35:58] <thePiGrepper> at the very least, we could always use w3m...
[18:37:16] <thePiGrepper> and OTOH, in a couple years we wont be able to use electron-based apps either, so.. yeah..
[18:37:31] <abaumann> oh. electron. don't get me started.. :-)
[18:38:18] <abaumann> at a certain point people will realize that rendering HTML just needs 10 MB of RAM and no Javascript, so dillo/w3m/lynx will suffice. :-)
[18:38:34] <thePiGrepper> is chromium compiling? wouldnt that be a bigger problem than firefox, talking out of 'common sense' here... dont really know
[18:39:14] <abaumann> chromium is better in that regard..
[18:39:36] <thePiGrepper> really? is the rust dependency really such an issue? or is because of something else?
[18:39:55] <abaumann> rust is a language desperately trying to solve problems, which are no problems.
[18:40:00] <abaumann> just my personal opinion.
[18:40:38] <abaumann> librsvg is rust for instance, so there is no toolchain for rust for i486 (yet), so this causes our block of Xorg and tons of other packages.
[18:41:14] <thePiGrepper> I think that's a fair opinion. however, there are only a couple of non-trivial sourcebases in rust, so it's difficult still to make a thoughtful comparison to something like C++, I guess
[18:41:17] <abaumann> rusts build and package management is just simply bad (speak cargo)
[18:41:42] <abaumann> yeah. and I sincerly hope it remains a small code base. :->
[18:43:06] <abaumann> OTOH: cargo can be fixed, rust can be made to work on i486. It just needs good will and time (and some hands) :-)
[18:43:47] <thePiGrepper> abaumann: librsvg blocks xorg itself? I thought it would only block things like gtk..
[18:44:40] <abaumann> yeah. it's mainly gtk, you're right.
[18:45:06] <abaumann> there might be some circles..
[18:50:16] <thePiGrepper> abaumann: and have you tried contacting some of the rust/cargo developers? maybe opening an issue or something? what's the official opinion regarding this? is rust/cargo available in alarm?
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[21:20:03] <buildmaster> i686/firefox is broken (says rechenknecht).