#archlinux32 | Logs for 2018-12-20

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[00:44:33] <finsternis> what to do with: /usr/share/qemu/vgabios-virtio.bin exists in both 'seabios' and 'qemu' ?
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[00:46:05] <buildmaster> Hi deep42thought!
[00:46:05] <buildmaster> !rq deep42thought
[00:46:06] <phrik> buildmaster: <deep42thought> ah, maybe, borg is borged, too
[00:46:22] <deep42thought> upstream it's only in sebios
[00:46:26] <deep42thought> *seabios
[00:47:42] <deep42thought> on archlinux32, too
[00:48:01] <deep42thought> what version of qemu do you have?
[00:49:30] <finsternis> deep42thought: I had qemu-3.0.0-1.1 seabios-1.11.0-3.0 installed
[00:49:41] <deep42thought> qemu-3.1.0 is available
[00:50:08] <deep42thought> umm, in [staging], that is :-(
[00:51:57] <deep42thought> let me move it (and break some things :-D)
[00:52:14] <finsternis> indeed, pacman -Si qemu says 3.0.0-1.1
[00:55:24] <deep42thought> can you check the new version in [extra]?
[00:57:12] <finsternis> 3.1.0-1.0
[00:57:24] <deep42thought> yes: https://packages.archlinux32.org
[00:58:13] <finsternis> ok, installed
[00:58:17] <finsternis> thank you
[00:59:30] <deep42thought> does it run?
[00:59:31] <thePiGrepper> hi. apparently git.archlinux32.org is working again \o/
[00:59:35] <finsternis> yes
[00:59:37] <deep42thought> oh, nice
[00:59:42] * deep42thought checks for himself
[00:59:54] <deep42thought> indeeeeeed
[01:01:23] <thePiGrepper> btw, good thing that there was a mirror available. question though, is it an actual backup of the whole repos,etc. or just a different front end on a different server? silly question I guess, probably full backup..
[01:01:24] * deep42thought switches everything back to git.archlinux32.org
[01:01:44] <deep42thought> it's a backup ~1m infront of me
[01:01:52] <deep42thought> but it's only a backup of the repos
[01:01:57] <deep42thought> no issues, etc.
[01:02:14] <deep42thought> and also only the official repos (e.g. everything, that's in git.archlinux32.org/archlinux32/
[01:02:16] <deep42thought> )
[01:02:57] <deep42thought> btw: I wouldn't call it a "server" - it's a banana pi
[01:04:49] * thePiGrepper has never seen such a dependable, self-motivated backup. lol
[01:05:10] <deep42thought> dependable?
[01:05:30] <thePiGrepper> its a 'backup' ~1m infront of the main server...
[01:05:39] <deep42thought> I'm not the main server
[01:05:54] <thePiGrepper> ok, nvm. badjoke time
[01:06:00] <thePiGrepper> :)
[01:06:19] <deep42thought> I'm still looking for a case, so I won't short the pi, when I spill a drink :-/
[01:06:21] <thePiGrepper> it is a raspberry?! really?
[01:06:25] <deep42thought> banana pi
[01:06:32] <deep42thought> it comes with an sata connector
[01:06:41] <thePiGrepper> ohh. that makes sense.
[01:07:07] <thePiGrepper> is it sata3? probably right?
[01:07:39] <deep42thought> umm, Idk - my internet uplink isn't too fast anyways
[01:09:06] <thePiGrepper> it should be good, that there was a backup for the gitea build. it doesnt need to be deployed, just there in case something happens to the main one.
[01:09:35] <deep42thought> I'm pretty sure, tyzoid has a backup of the whole filesystem
[01:09:48] <thePiGrepper> I see
[01:10:16] <thePiGrepper> btw, I asked in the arch irc for that wpa_supplicant depending on openssl1.0 instead of 1.1 thing
[01:10:59] <thePiGrepper> after a while, I really didnt get an answer, besides literally 'mail the maintainer but dont be a dick' lol
[01:11:27] <deep42thought> yeah, I found, the archlinux channel can be quite frustrating
[01:11:36] <deep42thought> ... or I have the wrong kind of problems :-D
[01:12:58] <thePiGrepper> deep42thought: 'or I have the wrong kind of problems' was exactly the impression I got
[01:17:14] <deep42thought> anyway, I should really go and get some sleep, now ...
[01:17:16] <deep42thought> cu later!
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[01:47:17] <buildmaster> i686/kak-lsp is broken (says nlopc46).
[01:47:54] <elibrokeit> thePiGrepper: it is correct that wpa_supplicant depends on the old openssl
[01:48:18] <elibrokeit> since depending on the newer one will result in people being unable to use university wifi at all
[01:48:32] <thePiGrepper> really? how so?
[01:48:41] <elibrokeit> blame terrible networks using deprecated ciphers...
[01:48:58] <elibrokeit> openssl removes support for those, entirely, for fairly decent reasons.
[01:49:10] <elibrokeit> well, optimistic reasons :D
[01:49:50] <thePiGrepper> I see. then the implication would be that debian has this problem already? because its build of wpa_supplicant does link to openssl1.1
[01:57:16] <elibrokeit> it depends, fedora links to 1.1 too
[01:57:29] <elibrokeit> they also do runtime sorcery
[01:58:04] <elibrokeit> see latest comment at https://bugs.archlinux.org
[01:58:05] <phrik> Title: FS#54390 : [wpa_supplicant] EAP-PEAP not working with openssl 1.1 (at bugs.archlinux.org)
[01:59:04] <elibrokeit> I know anthraxx is bothered by this from a security perspective, and suggested updating wpa_supplicant and providing wpa_supplicant-university-edition for people who need the old ciphers :D
[02:11:36] <thePiGrepper> hm. Im very familiar with how openssl works, when it says "insecure" cyphers, what does it means, are there algorithms removed on 1.1?
[02:12:26] <thePiGrepper> btw, how all this issue translate to iwd? would that work in this usecase?
[02:28:05] <elibrokeit> apparently they're not compiled in by default on openssl 1.1? I'm not sure of the details since I'm *not* familiar with how openssl works.
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[05:40:51] <buildmaster> i686/glib2 is broken (says rechenknecht).
[06:06:10] <buildmaster> i686/eclipse is broken (says rechenknecht).
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[08:38:43] <thePiGrepper> the most of important question of the day: are we removing weboob-headless? https://www.phoronix.com
[08:38:45] <phrik> Title: Debian's Anti-Harassment Team Is Removing A Package Over Its Name - Phoronix (at www.phoronix.com)
[08:54:52] <ubone> i hope not
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[09:45:08] <deep42thought> thePiGrepper, simple answer: we do, when upstream does
[09:49:31] <bill-auger> ... but if the package is useful and/or users ask for it, downstreams may add it back in - such as support for PCMCIA
[09:49:41] <deep42thought> exactly
[09:50:23] <deep42thought> my opinion: we should decide on _technical_ reasons, e.g. if the package is useful, maintainable, free, ... - not on the name (whatever that means)
[09:52:03] <deep42thought> if archlinux intoduced as the successor of systemd the init daemon "the-holocaust-never-happened", it would be reason for me to complain to upstream and/or upperstream about the name, but not to switch to a different init system
[09:52:08] <bill-auger> another advantage arches have over debians is that packaging is quite simple, so individual users can build the package themselves without growing a neck-beard
[09:52:16] <ubone> the good thing about arch is that even if something like this happens, it can always remain in the aur, no?
[09:52:23] <deep42thought> yeah
[09:52:26] <deep42thought> that, too
[09:53:01] <deep42thought> but the question would be, why such a package would not be offending if it's in the aur ...
[09:54:04] <ubone> i think ppl overreact today
[09:54:40] <deep42thought> I, too
[09:54:57] <ubone> life must be too good if some complain about silly stuff
[09:54:57] <deep42thought> but nevertheless, one needs to take the _reactions_ serious
[09:55:46] <deep42thought> "people overreact" is a bad response to someone complaining about something silly, but "this software is useful" is a good response
[09:59:50] <bill-auger> i dont think "react" is the right word - that package has been in debian for many years
[10:01:20] <deep42thought> "overcomplain" ? ;-)
[10:02:06] <bill-auger> political soap-boxing ? ;-)
[10:05:43] <bill-auger> join #weboob
[10:05:59] <bill-auger> oops did i say that out loud? shame on me lol
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[10:15:49] * deep42thought removes the offending words from the irc logs
[10:16:17] <bill-auger> oh well in that case .... i have more to say lol
[10:16:24] <deep42thought> :-D
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[10:25:06] <abaumann> oaken-source: I can reproduce the build errors in texlive-bin, I opened a bug report, FS32#58
[10:25:07] <deep42thought> Hi abaumann!
[10:25:13] <abaumann> hi deep42thought
[10:25:23] <abaumann> https://bugs.archlinux32.org
[10:25:25] <deep42thought> where's the buildmaster, when I need it ...
[10:25:29] <phrik> Title: FS#58 : texlive-bin doesn't build (at bugs.archlinux32.org)
[10:25:39] <abaumann> I rebooted the buildmaster machine.. so.. maybe it didnt' wake up?
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[10:25:57] <deep42thought> yeah, it usually does not
[10:26:13] <deep42thought> wb, buildmaster!
[10:26:36] <deep42thought> I have no idea, why these systemd user autostart tasks don't start automatically
[10:28:43] <deep42thought> aha! https://superuser.com
[10:28:44] <phrik> Title: arch linux - Start a systemd user service at boot - Super User (at superuser.com)
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[10:33:15] <deep42thought> \o/
[10:39:37] <oaken-source> abaumann: thanks for looking into it :)
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[11:01:21] <abaumann> np
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[11:15:06] <abaumann> buildermaster: why don't you build texlive-bin
[11:15:13] <abaumann> buildmaster: why don't you build texlive-bin?
[11:15:27] <buildmaster> abaumann: "texlive-bin?" is not on the build list.
[11:15:34] <abaumann> buildmaster: why don't you build texlive-bin
[11:15:45] <buildmaster> abaumann: "i486/texlive-bin" has unmet dependencies:
[11:15:45] <buildmaster> cairo
[11:15:45] <buildmaster> cairo
[11:15:45] <buildmaster> e2fsprogs
[11:15:45] <buildmaster> e2fsprogs
[11:15:46] <buildmaster> ... (13 lines total)
[11:16:06] <abaumann> *abaumann scratches his head..
[11:16:16] <deep42thought> that's i486, probably :-/
[11:16:31] <abaumann> yeah. though e2fsprogs should build on i486..
[11:16:36] <abaumann> cairo I know is not available
[11:17:01] <deep42thought> there was an update to e2fsprogs upstream, maybe we didn't catch up yet?
[11:17:13] <abaumann> *abaumann shrugs
[11:29:07] <deep42thought> hmm, maybe the output means, that the i486 one has unmet dependencies, but the i686 one does not?
[11:29:17] * deep42thought should know, I wrote that stupid script
[11:46:28] <abaumann> the OLDP-X1's arrived. Both are actually working, one battery dead, one keyboard has missing keys.. otherwise, in good condition..
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[12:03:18] <abaumann> Hi MrBIOS.
[12:03:24] <MrBIOS> heya
[12:03:29] <MrBIOS> you get your XO-1's?
[12:03:33] <abaumann> You were absolutely right.
[12:03:34] <abaumann> yep.
[12:03:50] <abaumann> both are actually working. One has a dead battery and a quite battered keyboard.
[12:03:54] <MrBIOS> great, let me know what I owe you :)
[12:04:04] <abaumann> but definitely useabble just to work on with external keybaord and power.. :-)
[12:04:23] <MrBIOS> I can probably spare a keyboard membrane. Also, there is a connector on the motherboard for a serial TTY if you’d like to go that route with one of them.
[12:04:30] <abaumann> I have to sort out some details with DHL for the final bill, I'll let you know.
[12:04:42] <MrBIOS> ok no worries, you know where to find me
[12:04:53] <abaumann> ok. thanks.
[12:05:53] <abaumann> so. I have to leave for Xmas holidays.. bye :-)
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[12:17:53] <deep42thought> elfutils seems to be the holdback - it's failing in check()
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[12:32:12] <buildmaster> i686/ocaml-integers are broken (says rechenknecht).
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[12:43:18] <deep42thought> I think, eclipse dropped 32 bit support - can anyone, who actually knows what that package is, confirm that?
[12:45:07] <Piraty> wow i found an old server running archlinux 32bit (back from when arch maintained it ofc)
[12:46:15] <Piraty> deep42thought: according to void's eclipse template, i686 is fine to use it on
[12:47:18] <deep42thought> I seem unable to find any 32bit sources on the mirror, which hosts the x86_64 sources - my path substitution returns only 404's
[12:47:57] <Piraty> check out void's template, cannot pase right now
[12:48:12] <Piraty> it is linux-gtk.tar.gz
[12:48:29] <Piraty> instead of linux-gtk-x86_64.tar.gz
[12:49:03] <deep42thought> yeah, that's what my old pathsubst does
[12:49:17] <deep42thought> but I don't find it on the dl url: http://ftp-stud.fht-esslingen.de
[12:49:18] <phrik> Title: Index of /pub/Mirrors/eclipse/technology/epp/downloads/release/2018-12/R (at ftp-stud.fht-esslingen.de)
[12:58:49] <deep42thought> ok, voidlinux has not yet updated eclipse
[13:31:43] <Piraty> why eclipse when there is vim?
[13:39:10] <bill-auger> deep42thought: you can always get archived sources of most any freely licensed program from software heritage
[13:41:27] <deep42thought> yeah, but I'm not looking for an archive, I'm looking for the december release :-)
[13:43:29] <bill-auger> looks like the last snapshop was september https://archive.softwareheritage.org
[13:43:31] <phrik> Title: Directory - cf91353/ - HEAD - origin: https://github.com – Software Heritage archive (at archive.softwareheritage.org)
[14:16:25] <buildmaster> i686/eclipse is broken (says nlopc46).
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[16:00:28] <buildmaster> i686/haskell-yesod-test is broken (says nlopc46) - I rescheduled: haskell-yesod-form, haskell-yesod-persistent.
[16:07:15] <elibrokeit> deep42thought: isn't eclipse supposedly open-source such that it could -- and should -- be built from source in a CPU-agnostic manner?
[16:10:04] <buildmaster> i686/haskell-yesod-static is broken (says nlopc46) - I rescheduled: haskell-yesod-test.
[16:13:29] <rcf> elibrokeit: maybe they dropped support because their build system is too inefficient to run even single-threaded on a 32-bit system.
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[16:34:07] <buildmaster> Hi abaumann!
[16:34:07] <buildmaster> !rq abaumann
[16:34:07] <phrik> buildmaster: <abaumann> not to have http://archlinux32.microsoft.com suddendly in the list of mirrors. ;-)
[16:34:29] <abaumann> deep42thought: elfutils, yes it fails with segfaults all around DWARF stuff..
[16:34:37] <abaumann> ..not really a clue how to fix it..
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[19:13:01] <buildmaster> i686/rust is broken (says rechenknecht).
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[21:02:59] <buildmaster> i686/vibe-d is broken (says eurobuild3).
[22:16:52] <buildmaster> i686/karchive is broken (says nlopc46).
[22:17:53] <buildmaster> i686/kcoreaddons are broken (says eurobuild3).
[22:22:37] <buildmaster> i686/ki18n is broken (says nlopc46).
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[22:23:57] <buildmaster> i686/kcodecs are broken (says eurobuild3).
[22:28:44] <buildmaster> i686/kconfig is broken (says nlopc46).
[22:30:08] <buildmaster> i686/kwidgetsaddons are broken (says eurobuild3).
[22:34:14] <buildmaster> i686/kguiaddons are broken (says nlopc46).
[22:35:17] <buildmaster> i686/kwindowsystem is broken (says eurobuild3).
[22:39:33] <buildmaster> i686/attica is broken (says nlopc46).
[22:41:32] <buildmaster> i686/kdbusaddons are broken (says eurobuild3).
[22:44:58] <buildmaster> i686/kitemviews are broken (says nlopc46).
[22:45:49] <buildmaster> i686/sonnet is broken (says rechenknecht).
[22:47:58] <buildmaster> i686/solid is broken (says eurobuild3).
[22:49:57] <buildmaster> i686/kplotting is broken (says nlopc46).
[22:51:31] <buildmaster> i686/kwayland is broken (says eurobuild3).
[22:52:00] <buildmaster> i686/threadweaver is broken (says rechenknecht).
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[22:54:24] <buildmaster> i686/kjs are broken (says eurobuild3).
[22:55:04] <buildmaster> i686/kirigami2 is broken (says nlopc46).
[22:57:24] <buildmaster> i686/kidletime is broken (says rechenknecht).
[22:59:07] <buildmaster> i686/syntax-highlighting is broken (says eurobuild3).
[23:00:05] <buildmaster> i686/bluez-qt is broken (says nlopc46).
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[23:02:40] <buildmaster> i686/kdnssd is broken (says rechenknecht).
[23:04:19] <buildmaster> i686/kholidays are broken (says eurobuild3).
[23:05:13] <buildmaster> i686/kimageformats are broken (says nlopc46).
[23:08:45] <buildmaster> i686/kitemmodels are broken (says rechenknecht).
[23:09:17] <buildmaster> i686/modemmanager-qt is broken (says eurobuild3).
[23:10:32] <buildmaster> i686/networkmanager-qt is broken (says nlopc46).
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[23:14:15] <buildmaster> i686/prison is broken (says rechenknecht).
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[23:43:38] <buildmaster> i686/anki is broken (says nlopc46).