#archlinux32 | Logs for 2019-01-04

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[00:35:06] <buildmaster> i686/deepin-session-ui is broken (says nlopc46).
[00:39:07] <buildmaster> i686/deepin-daemon is broken (says nlopc46).
[00:43:01] <buildmaster> i686/startdde is broken (says nlopc46).
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[01:27:31] <buildmaster> i686/prometheus are broken (says buildknecht).
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[08:24:12] <buildmaster> Hi deep42thought!
[08:24:12] <buildmaster> !rq deep42thought
[08:24:13] <phrik> buildmaster: <deep42thought> ah, maybe, borg is borged, too
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[09:14:43] <buildmaster> i686/libretro-blastem is broken (says nlopc43).
[09:26:06] <buildmaster> i686/libretro-desmume is broken (says nlopc46).
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[09:53:47] <buildmaster> i686/dtc is broken (says nlopc46).
[10:00:51] <Piraty> hi. i'm not used to arch, and added your (archlinux32) mirroslist to my mirrorlist file, yet when i run "pacman -S ccache" it shows an old version, as if it is not syncing to fetch the newest (yes, i know. partial upgrades are unsupported, but i cannot risk updating this old machine right now)
[10:02:33] <deep42thought> check archive.archlinux32.org if the respective version can be found there
[10:02:56] <deep42thought> then you can download with your favourite browser and install with "pacman -U /path/to/file"
[10:03:01] <Piraty> where does this machine assume the version from (should be my real question) if not from syncing with the repo?
[10:03:18] <deep42thought> it has a copy of the repo locally
[10:03:30] <deep42thought> and if you don't specify "-y", then it won't update that copy
[10:03:34] <Piraty> of the index you mean?
[10:03:40] <deep42thought> yes
[10:03:49] <Piraty> i assumed -y to be --yes, so let's read more...
[10:04:19] <Piraty> -y --refresh, very intuitive ;)
[10:04:24] <Piraty> thanks that might help
[10:04:27] <deep42thought> --reyfresh ;-P
[10:04:33] <deep42thought> np, you're welcome
[10:04:46] <Piraty> it will still ask me to confirm before installation, yes?
[10:04:50] <deep42thought> yes
[10:05:28] <Piraty> does pacman provide depenency lists? so i can check what *might* break ?
[10:05:31] <deep42thought> but it's better to install the version it was looking for from the archives than installing a new version on an old system
[10:05:41] <Piraty> true, will try that
[10:06:23] <deep42thought> dependencies are listed with -i, too
[10:06:36] <deep42thought> e.g. "pacman -Si ccache"
[10:07:38] <Piraty> ah, pacman does not show which version of zlib ccache depends on, probably because no shlib trackin is done, and only full-upgrades are supported ...
[10:07:51] <deep42thought> yes, exactly
[10:08:23] <Piraty> so, i found the neccesary version of ccache in your archive, very nice! Is it safe to assume it was most likely built against the zlib i have here?
[10:08:32] <deep42thought> yes
[10:08:38] <Piraty> (= no breakage without updating zlib, which breaks even more)
[10:08:53] <Piraty> well then, i give it a try. thanks alot deep42thought
[10:09:09] <deep42thought> if you install a single package (and do not update/remove anything else), the maximum that can be broken is the just-installed package
[10:09:13] <Piraty> will i need the .sig tile too?
[10:09:26] <deep42thought> only if you want to verify the integrity of the package
[10:10:02] <Piraty> does pacman -U <path> do that?
[10:10:39] <deep42thought> it tells you what it will do
[10:10:52] <deep42thought> but usually it will only install the package (or upgrade if it was already installed)
[10:10:54] <Piraty> ok, lemme try instead of nagging you
[10:15:14] <Piraty> nah didn't work
[10:15:25] <deep42thought> elibrokeit: can you promote the fix for python-pathspec in trunk/ to repos/community-any/, please?
[10:15:25] <Piraty> well, installation worked
[10:15:35] <deep42thought> Piraty: but ccache does not?
[10:15:37] <elibrokeit> Piraty: Pacman -U when used with http urls will enforce the .sig too
[10:15:39] <Piraty> yea
[10:15:47] <elibrokeit> It is done of the pacman.conf settings
[10:15:47] <Piraty> ccache: /usr/lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.28' not found (required by ccache)
[10:15:53] <deep42thought> oh, one can even use -U on urls?
[10:15:57] * deep42thought didn't know that
[10:16:34] <Piraty> i have: ldd (GNU libc) 2.23
[10:16:41] <Piraty> so that cannot work :-/
[10:16:52] <elibrokeit> And, if you wish to not do full system upgrades you should use datestamped archives, assuming archlinux32 has an archive which deep42thought would know better than me
[10:17:05] <elibrokeit> 2.23 is quite old...
[10:17:06] <deep42thought> we do
[10:17:12] <Piraty> yeah it's ancient
[10:17:19] <Piraty> like this whole system
[10:17:23] <elibrokeit> This is an arch system???
[10:17:28] <deep42thought> but I just noticed, that the archive stopped archiving in November 2018 :-(
[10:17:51] <elibrokeit> That's old enough to be using actual archlinux from before the deprecation if i686...
[10:18:39] <Piraty> yes, that's probably the case. i didn't install from al32 if that is what you ask, is might by a +7y old arch installation
[10:18:58] <elibrokeit> You havent upgraded in 7 years, huh?
[10:19:31] <Piraty> i inherited this system (work) and need ccache to run on it since i hate waiting
[10:19:45] * deep42thought takes a look at the list of exploits of the last 7 years
[10:20:00] <elibrokeit> I don't think arch archives go back that far...
[10:20:29] <deep42thought> they go back 6 years ...
[10:20:32] <Piraty> yeah, bad choice for using arch linux on important systems. not my choice, hence my inexperience with manual partial upgrades
[10:21:07] <elibrokeit> Important systems is not the point. There are plenty of people who do that but upgrade regularly.
[10:21:13] <deep42thought> Piraty: try other versions from the original archive, then: https://archive.archlinux.org
[10:21:14] <phrik> Title: Index of /packages/c/ccache/ (at archive.archlinux.org)
[10:21:23] <elibrokeit> E.g. obviously we dogfood our stuff
[10:21:44] <deep42thought> archlinux32 dogfoods only upstream arch stuff ;-P
[10:31:59] <deep42thought> elibrokeit: can/did you have a look at python-pathspec ?
[10:34:53] <elibrokeit> deep42thought: remind me tomorrow, I should really go to bed right now and I'm on my phone. :)
[10:35:01] <deep42thought> good night :-)
[10:35:18] <elibrokeit> It is 4:30 am so not so much...
[10:35:47] <deep42thought> yeah, I was wondering if you have traveled to a different time zone or something ;-P
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[11:02:58] <buildmaster> i686/electron is broken (says nlopc46) - as usual.
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[11:15:56] <buildmaster> Hi deep42thought!
[11:15:56] <buildmaster> !rq deep42thought
[11:15:57] <phrik> buildmaster: <deep42thought> good night, python - cu tomorrow python2!
[11:33:45] <buildmaster> i686/prometheus-blackbox-exporter is broken (says nlopc46).
[12:25:26] <buildmaster> i686/vulkan-tools are broken (says nlopc46).
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[13:29:33] <ubone> i has a keyring issue
[13:31:06] <ubone> i used an older AL iso and replaced the mirrorlist with a few of your servers and pacstrap downloaded ok but checking keys in keyring step fails
[13:52:37] <deep42thought> ubone: have you tried installing the archlinux32-keyring-transition package on the iso (not the host)?
[13:54:39] <ubone> how do you mean?
[13:54:58] <ubone> just pacman -Sy etc?
[13:55:44] <deep42thought> pacman -U
[13:56:09] <ubone> why U
[13:56:09] <deep42thought> I'm assuming, by "AL iso" you mean an archlinux iso and not an archlinux32 iso
[13:56:16] <ubone> yes
[13:56:36] <deep42thought> ah, right
[13:56:41] <ubone> i made a usb stick with al32 but it seems broken
[13:56:45] <deep42thought> if you have the mirrorlist updated already, you can use -S
[13:56:58] <ubone> so i thought i'd try the older cd
[13:57:08] <ubone> ok brb
[14:07:05] <ubone> error
[14:07:11] <deep42thought> :-(
[14:07:17] <deep42thought> what error do you get?
[14:07:21] <ubone> key CEB... can't be looked up
[14:07:36] <ubone> req key missing from keyring
[14:07:49] <ubone> that's from the transition command
[14:08:23] <deep42thought> can you try a "pacman-key --refresh-keys" before that "pacman -S ..."?
[14:08:40] <deep42thought> maybe, the iso does not have eli's signing key yet? :-/
[14:09:27] <ubone> i should do that with the AL mirrorlist right?
[14:09:39] <deep42thought> the mirrorlist does not matter
[14:09:52] <deep42thought> it refreshs the keys from some gpg keyserver
[14:10:44] <ubone> you're right but
[14:10:54] <ubone> ipc connnect call failed
[14:10:58] <ubone> no dirmngr
[14:12:38] <ubone> can i somehow verify the usb stick i made with dd, to check it's md5sum
[14:12:53] <deep42thought> if it boots, it's probably alright
[14:13:14] <deep42thought> you would need to tell md5sum how much bytes to check
[14:13:26] <deep42thought> e.g. check the size of the downloaded file
[14:13:50] <deep42thought> and then 'dd if=/dev/$usb bs=1 count=$size | md5sum'
[14:14:55] <ubone> maybe it's just that /root/.gnupg/S.dirmngr doern't exist
[14:15:08] <ubone> idk how to initiate it tho
[14:15:15] <deep42thought> pacman-key --init
[14:15:20] <deep42thought> pacman-key --populate
[14:15:38] <deep42thought> the latter ideally after installing archlinux32-keyring (or archlinux32-keyring-transition)
[14:15:56] <ubone> oh, well i did them
[14:16:08] <ubone> seems ok,
[14:16:28] <ubone> gpg: no need for a trustdb check
[14:16:30] <deep42thought> you did them on the iso or inside the chroot?
[14:16:34] <ubone> ^prop not a big deal
[14:16:37] <deep42thought> yes
[14:16:38] <ubone> on the iso
[14:16:45] <deep42thought> hmm, then it should work
[14:16:53] <ubone> i can't chroot atm i think
[14:17:07] <ubone> now i do refresk keys?
[14:17:31] <deep42thought> yeah
[14:17:38] <deep42thought> right, you cannot chroot :-D
[14:18:13] <ubone> hm same thing, 'a specified local key could not be updated from a keyserver'
[14:18:22] <deep42thought> which key is it?
[14:18:50] <ubone> /root/.gnupg/S.dirmngr seems to not exist
[14:19:06] <ubone> doesn't say whick key, just this ^
[14:19:36] <deep42thought> hmm, maybe just run a 'gpg --search-keys anything'
[14:19:45] <deep42thought> so root's gpg dir gets initialized
[14:20:07] <deep42thought> but this is actually strange, because gpg should use /etc/pacman.d/gnupg ...
[14:20:39] <ubone> yeah, it said 'gpg: dir /root/.gnupg' created'
[14:22:07] <ubone> true, weird
[14:22:31] <ubone> it's refreshing keys
[14:22:40] <ubone> \o/
[14:22:44] <ubone> finally
[14:22:45] <deep42thought> :-)
[14:23:05] <deep42thought> elibrokeit: when you're back on, this^ looks like a bug in pacstrap to me
[14:25:28] <ubone> oh iirc when on my initial try, when i did pacstrap /mnt base it downloaded all pkgs but stopped at the keys verification, but it did create the new directories under /mnt/
[14:25:54] <ubone> because i use an old arch cd..
[14:26:04] <deep42thought> still, "pacman-key $anything" on the host should work in /etc/pacman.d/gnupg
[14:28:15] <ubone> hm so now i did the pacman keyring trasition commands, the transition pkg was removed because of al32's keyring
[14:28:24] <deep42thought> good
[14:28:31] <ubone> shoudl i do pacstrap or try to chroot and -Suy
[14:28:42] <deep42thought> pacstrap should work
[14:29:04] <deep42thought> chrooting might not - depending on how many packages were installed
[14:29:40] <ubone> nice, me good ol'e arch
[14:30:04] <ubone> thx it installes base now
[14:30:08] <deep42thought> :-)
[15:14:38] <ubone> strange that wm's don't pull xorg
[15:17:01] <deep42thought> what do you mean by "pull"
[15:19:13] <ubone> download it as dependancy
[15:19:32] <deep42thought> which mirror do you use?
[15:20:06] <ubone> the belarus one but i switched it the french one now
[15:20:11] <ubone> brb
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[15:21:16] <buildmaster> Hi abaumann!
[15:21:17] <buildmaster> !rq abaumann
[15:21:17] <phrik> buildmaster: <abaumann> that's what happens if fixing a bug is faster than checking out the git repo of the linux kernel.
[15:21:21] <deep42thought> Hi abaumann!
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[15:21:24] <abaumann> hi deep42thought
[15:21:38] <abaumann> just did a big update with the stable packages, seems ok so far.
[15:21:45] <deep42thought> \o/
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[15:23:34] <deep42thought> abaumann: netcdf is blocking some packages and I have no idea how to fix the build
[15:23:41] <deep42thought> maybe it simply does not work on i686
[15:23:48] <abaumann> mmh latest glibc breaks a Penitum S (illegal instruction), this sound familiar to the bug on the AMD K6..
[15:23:56] <deep42thought> :'-(
[15:24:02] <abaumann> netcdf: I'll have a look..
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[15:24:49] <ubone> -S mpv --there are 2 repos for libva-drm.so --libva and libva
[15:24:54] <ubone> what's this about/
[15:25:26] <deep42thought> buidlmaster: wtf libva-drm.so
[15:25:41] <deep42thought> buildmaster: wtf libva-drm.so
[15:25:42] <buildmaster> deep42thought: libva [extra]: /usr/lib/libva-drm.so
[15:25:42] <buildmaster> libva1 [community]: /usr/lib/libva1/libva-drm.so
[15:26:04] <deep42thought> looks, like you have a choice here
[15:26:10] <abaumann> libva1 sound old though..
[15:26:10] <deep42thought> I'd choose libva
[15:39:16] <ubone> about users
[15:39:54] <ubone> i already have a /home/user1 from before
[15:40:21] <ubone> should i use -m or just useradd -s /bin/bash
[15:41:06] <deep42thought> just 'useradd user1' will do
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[16:02:12] <ubone> what would be the easiest way to compile 'st' from the aur build dir i already have on al-64 , if any?
[16:02:30] <deep42thought> copy the dir, install base-devel and run makepkg?
[16:07:59] <ubone> could i do it on the 64bit al?
[16:08:11] <deep42thought> yes
[16:08:19] <deep42thought> you can use our devtools for that
[16:08:23] <deep42thought> e.g. devtools32
[16:09:09] <deep42thought> or you could try that aur helper tool - if you need dependencies from the aur
[16:09:17] * deep42thought searches his logs for the name
[16:09:46] <deep42thought> aurutils
[16:09:55] <deep42thought> (in combination with setarch)
[16:09:57] <ubone> aurutils or trizen but i usualy avoid them
[16:10:27] <ubone> is devtools32 an al32 thing or an al thing?
[16:10:33] <deep42thought> al32
[16:10:43] <deep42thought> it's forked from archlinux's devtools
[16:10:51] <deep42thought> so you can build x86_64 packages, too
[16:13:36] <ubone> i see , it's another repository
[16:14:03] <deep42thought> [releng], right
[16:15:52] <ubone> i haven't done this tbh, do i basically sync al32's base in a chroot
[16:16:05] <deep42thought> it's all done by devtools32
[16:16:12] <deep42thought> you just need to run extra-i686-build
[16:16:34] <deep42thought> and it will set up that chroot in /var/lib/archbuild/extra-i686-{root,$you}
[16:17:09] <ubone> what's the size of that?
[16:17:42] <deep42thought> 1.8GB over here
[16:18:56] <ubone> rip
[16:22:55] <deep42thought> gotta go, cu later!
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[17:43:25] <elibrokeit> deep42thought: copied fix, no idea what the user issue for pacstrap is since it works for me
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[17:50:44] <buildmaster> i686/electron2 is broken (says rechenknecht) - as usual.
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[18:51:24] <ubone> this hp nc8000 has a peculiarity, it won't shutdown, it restarts instead by itself; the only way to turn it off was to suspend it to ram or to use halt
[18:52:17] <ubone> usually before iirc TLP for some reason did the trick, as without it would just wake back again automatically
[18:53:38] <ubone> i have tlp runing but it fails to stay suspended, now idk if it's tlp change or if im missing something
[18:59:38] <ubone> on reboot it also remains on the 'Starting Reboot...'
[19:08:17] <ubone> or maybe a missing group?
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[20:09:22] <buildmaster> Hi deep42thought!
[20:09:22] <buildmaster> !rq deep42thought
[20:09:22] <phrik> buildmaster: because you're a pessimist with no hope - or you're a realist afraid of change ... pick your evil
[20:09:33] <deep42thought> ubone: maybe some setting in the bios?
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[20:23:44] <ubone> there aren't that many.., i installed intel microcode but no luck,
[20:23:48] <ubone> oh and acpi
[20:24:23] <deep42thought> no, I meant some option inside the bios
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[21:40:39] <buildmaster> i686/libappimage is broken (says rechenknecht).
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[22:20:58] <buildmaster> i686/three.js are broken (says rechenknecht).
[22:31:46] <deep42thought> damn, looks, like I cannot download from github anymore :-(
[23:02:47] <ubone> is a swap file?
[23:02:52] <ubone> whoops
[23:44:18] <deep42thought> dopsi: I created new isos, can you create the magnet links?
[23:44:36] <deep42thought> ... and update the website, please?