#archlinux32 | Logs for 2019-02-06

[00:44:03] <buildmaster> i686/gnome-desktop is broken (says rechenknecht).
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[02:58:05] <buildmaster> i686/gitlab is broken (says eurobuild3).
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[05:48:03] <buildmaster> Hi girls!
[05:48:03] <buildmaster> !rq girls
[05:48:04] <phrik> buildmaster: <girls> I'm married, I don't cook
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[15:45:07] <rhqq> greetings
[15:45:44] <rhqq> how closely up-to-date is this system vs base arch
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[16:53:46] <just-here> Hi
[16:54:05] <just-here> Anyone else have problem downloading for example gtk3?
[16:54:45] <just-here> I was just trying to install lxde, but get error: failed retrieving file 'gtk3-3.24.4+15+g80b5024239-1.0-i686.pkg.tar.xz' from mirror.archlinux32.orgi686 : Could not resolve host: mirror.archlinux32.orgi686
[16:55:03] <rhqq> you have a typo
[16:55:47] <just-here> OK, that would be great. I'm sorry, I don't see the typo.
[16:55:51] <rhqq> missing / in server declaration in pacman.conf or pacman.d/mirrorlist
[16:56:02] <rhqq> between url and / $arch
[16:57:26] <rhqq> see your machine tries to resolve `mirror.archlinux32.orgi686` as a domain
[16:57:51] <rhqq> and it is clearly not, so apparently i686 is added there without
[16:57:54] <rhqq> slash
[16:58:20] <just-here> I just generated mirrorlist from reflector...I'll check it.
[17:00:03] <just-here> Here are the top two servers from reflector's generation: Server = https://mirror.archlinux32.org$arch Server = https://ind.mirror.archlinux32.org$arch
[17:00:03] <phrik> Title: Index of / (at mirror.archlinux32.org)
[17:00:51] <just-here> Maybe I didn't configure reflector correctly...
[17:02:49] <just-here> I though I was going to be so smart and set up powerpill. I only did this because I had trouble downloading a few items with regular pacman.
[17:03:22] <just-here> Original mirror list looks good though.
[17:03:31] <rhqq> so you can see that slash is missing
[17:03:32] <rhqq> clearly
[17:03:36] <rhqq> between .org and $arch
[17:03:47] <rhqq> fix it by hand and you'e good
[17:08:06] <just-here> Yes, you're definitely right about missing slash. I wonder why reflector didn't get this right.
[17:08:41] <just-here> I look at my /etc/pacman.conf and I only have architecture set to "auto". Are we supposed to explictly put in i686 there?
[17:09:25] <just-here> I can of course change things by hand, but that won't be any good when reflector runs and overwrites the file next time.
[17:09:31] <rhqq> no need
[17:09:38] <rhqq> auto is good for local system
[17:09:44] <rhqq> it is no good for chrooted environment
[17:09:53] <rhqq> (given you switch archi)
[17:09:57] <just-here> OK, good to know. I'll stick to auto.
[17:10:23] <just-here> OK, that makes sense about chooted situation too. Also good to know.
[17:13:32] <just-here> Hummm.... Nope, downloading gtk3 STILL does not work, even with the added slashes.
[17:14:02] <just-here> Now I get "errorCode=3 Resource not found"
[17:14:55] <just-here> It seems to be missing from multiple countries...
[17:15:38] <just-here> So, 56 of 57 files I need to install lxde are found, but gtk3 is "Resource not found"
[17:15:45] <rhqq> you need -Syy
[17:15:57] <rhqq> then -S whatever
[17:16:52] <just-here> Yes, exactly righ! Thanks rhqq! That fixed it!
[17:17:02] <rhqq> yw
[17:17:46] <just-here> I just don't change mirrors so much. I do recall seeing there was such a command. Next time I will not forget! Thanks again!
[17:18:11] <rhqq> sure, personally i just stick to whatever sounds closest on the map
[17:21:20] <just-here> That makes sense.
[17:21:44] <just-here> I have one related question. Following the powerpill doc., I tried
[17:21:52] <rhqq> (just to remember australia and austria are not anywhere close...)
[17:22:13] <just-here> sudo reflector -p rsync -f 5 -l 20 but got no mirrors found.
[17:22:29] <just-here> Are there no rsync mirrors for archlinux32?
[17:22:47] <just-here> :-) ha, quit right.
[17:22:52] <rhqq> no idea, no idea whether there are any mirrors tbh :D
[17:23:03] <rhqq> i mean, i just joined this channel before installing arch32
[17:23:10] <rhqq> and i didnt even start yet
[17:23:35] <just-here> OK, I really don't need that extra speed rsync is supposed to give. Was just curious.
[17:23:49] <rhqq> it doesnt give much anyway
[17:23:56] <rhqq> http(s) is gzipped anyway
[17:24:52] <rhqq> everything is gzipped nowadays, so rsync doesnt give you any advantage
[17:24:56] <just-here> I did notice that powerpill's parallel download seemed a lot faster. Maybe just imagining what I hoped for...
[17:25:35] <rhqq> yeah, but powerpill uses mutliple connections to pull mutliple packages, right?
[17:25:48] <just-here> Right!
[17:26:01] <rhqq> it doesnt matter what protocol you're using, it's about saturating your own downlink
[17:26:16] <just-here> So it makes sense....unless you're on dial up :-)
[17:26:22] <rhqq> yea
[17:26:54] <just-here> I'm gonna buzz out of here now, but thanks again for the help.
[17:29:05] <just-here> Not really sure I should pass along the possible bug in reflector. As far as I can tell, there is no way to control how it is writing the URLs.
[17:29:56] <just-here> Maybe I'll try it on raspberry pi and see if it's just not written for arches other than 64-bit.
[17:30:15] <rhqq> what you mean
[17:30:20] <rhqq> it was all good, other than / missing
[17:30:36] <rhqq> so architecture was fine
[17:30:37] <just-here> Yes, other than /, it was fine.
[17:31:10] <just-here> OK, but it seems to be a bug in how it writes the URLs. Never had problem with 64-bit.
[17:31:37] <rhqq> yeah, because these guys (all, just checked my mirrorlist) have /archlinux/
[17:31:38] <just-here> Perhaps one should know precisely what the bug is before attempting to report it?
[17:31:55] <rhqq> http://mirror.rackspace.com
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[17:32:13] <rhqq> so i gues /archlinux/ was provided one way or another containing / marks
[17:32:20] <rhqq> here you have domain.org/$repo
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[17:32:38] <rhqq> so i guess it is missing the /whatever/subpath/ string
[17:32:44] <rhqq> iunno, thats a guess
[17:32:55] <just-here> Sounds reasonable.
[17:34:13] <just-here> I'm not a pro arch user, so maybe the reflector author would rather not get input from me. Still I hate to leave it for someone else to encounter.
[17:34:30] <just-here> Maybe I'm the only one trying 32-bit and reflector...
[17:35:12] <rhqq> iunno, i never used reflector
[17:35:50] <rhqq> since pacman -Syu is not something that i do for benchmarking ;-)
[17:36:19] <just-here> OK, well, you fixed my problem nonetheless. See ya later. Off to see just how fast I can continually download lxde :-)
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[17:44:44] <buildmaster> Hi deep42thought!
[17:44:44] <buildmaster> !rq deep42thought
[17:44:44] <phrik> buildmaster: <deep42thought> nah, I never ran emacs - it's a nice os, but I couldn't find a suitable editor for it
[17:45:21] <rhqq> that fortune needs to be updated with systemd
[17:45:27] <deep42thought> just-here, rhqq: we patched reflector to work with our url format ($arch/$repo instead of $repo/os/$arch), maybe we introduced a bug with that
[17:45:51] <rhqq> well, apparently there is :)
[17:46:05] <deep42thought> rhqq: you mean "systemd is a nice os but it's lacking a good init system"?
[17:46:11] <rhqq> yea
[17:46:21] <deep42thought> or the bug has been present before (that's the alternative)
[17:46:21] <rhqq> totally
[17:47:00] <rhqq> i think it is missing path-prefix
[17:47:07] <deep42thought> I'll have a look into refelctor later - remind me later if I don't say anything about that topic
[17:47:09] <rhqq> because all arch repos have some /archlinux/ prefixes
[17:47:17] <deep42thought> it's totally optional
[17:47:21] <rhqq> yeah
[17:47:24] <rhqq> but / is also a prefix
[17:47:27] <deep42thought> you can have mirror.tld/$repo/os/$arch
[17:47:36] <deep42thought> well, we have /, too
[17:47:38] <rhqq> and / seems to be not defined
[17:48:19] <rhqq> anyways, i'm sure you'll figure it out
[17:48:27] <deep42thought> :-D
[17:48:39] <rhqq> i dont use reflector
[17:48:58] <rhqq> but going to install arch on my old barebone today/tmr
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[18:43:51] <deep42thought> I found the bug in reflector
[18:44:04] <rhqq> cool
[18:44:10] <deep42thought> our api returns urls without the trailing / - upstream includes that
[18:44:24] <rhqq> problem solved
[18:44:31] <deep42thought> problem identified ;-)
[18:44:51] <rhqq> s/problem/mystery
[18:57:24] <deep42thought> reflector should work correctly, now
[18:58:25] <deep42thought> ah, and regarding rsync mirrors: we do not officially announce any rsync mirrors, though some of the mirrors are available via rsync - mainly for other lower-tier mirrors
[18:58:44] <deep42thought> but for pacman, rsync really has no advantage
[19:02:23] <rhqq> yup
[19:02:26] <rhqq> no need to tell me
[19:03:29] <deep42thought> I mostly speak to the logs, anyways ;-)
[19:03:42] <rhqq> true
[19:03:49] <rhqq> i wonder how many people really read them
[19:03:49] <rhqq> ;p
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[19:04:03] <deep42thought> here comes one of them ;-)
[19:05:36] <rhqq> meh :P
[19:05:42] <rhqq> ok, time to procastinate
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[19:43:06] <elibrokeit> Hey, rsync can totally be useful, if your IP is whitelisted in the rsync endpoint for the archlinux.org master server
[19:44:02] <deep42thought> elibrokeit: this helps for archlinux32, too?
[19:46:16] <elibrokeit> Nope!
[19:46:32] <elibrokeit> But rsync is not technologically useless for Pacman...
[19:47:13] <elibrokeit> It is a protocol that can or cannot be opened
[19:47:29] <deep42thought> but what's the advantage vs. plain http(s)?
[19:47:58] <deep42thought> pacman only downloads packages it does not have in the cache anyway
[19:48:20] <deep42thought> and the compression part of the database and packages make the rsync algorithm mostly useles (I thought)
[19:48:28] <elibrokeit> On a per-file basis I dunno
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