#archlinux32 | Logs for 2019-04-25

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[01:03:39] <buildmaster> pentium4/linux-hardened is broken (says buildknecht).
[01:26:46] <buildmaster> pentium4/imagemagick6 is broken (says buildknecht).
[01:40:35] <buildmaster> pentium4/linux is broken (says buildknecht).
[01:47:59] <buildmaster> pentium4/linux-zen is broken (says buildknecht).
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[02:21:06] <elibrokeit> deep42thought: what is wrong with glibc exactly?
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[02:39:05] <buildmaster> pentium4/teamspeak3 is broken (says buildknecht).
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[03:37:19] <buildmaster> pentium4/linux-lts are broken (says buildknecht).
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[05:18:14] <buildmaster> pentium4/cmake is broken (says rechenknecht).
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[05:28:13] <Xogium> hi hi people :) I just wanted to tell this amazing community that I really appreciated your work, you allowed this 21 year old machine to perform until it finally died since archlinux dropped support for i686, instead of letting it accumulate dust and being unused. So yeah, thanks folks
[05:30:12] <Xogium> I did upgrades one morning and when I rebooted it got stuck on 'Loading initial ramdisk' no matter what I did to it, and even a live iso had random freezes and lockups, so it wasn't just the poor 21 year old hard drive
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[06:10:46] <buildmaster> Hi deep42thought!
[06:10:46] <buildmaster> !rq deep42thought
[06:10:48] <phrik> buildmaster: <deep42thought> my supervisor when I made my first shot with the laser: He handed me the remote and said: "Hey Erich, want to destroy a 20 Mio€ device?"
[06:11:08] <deep42thought> elibrokeit: for one, there was a file missing from the source dir (is fixed, now)
[06:11:20] <deep42thought> secondly, the toolchain has its own ordering logic
[06:11:34] <deep42thought> which is broken for two architectures that are built on the same slaves
[06:11:37] <elibrokeit> and that represents 26 rebuilds?
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[06:11:47] <elibrokeit> :)
[06:11:48] <deep42thought> yes
[06:11:55] <deep42thought> maybe only 24
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[06:12:19] <elibrokeit> but anyway I'd expect glibc updates to be as simple as just rebuilding just like 2.28-5
[06:12:43] <deep42thought> there is a comment about the toolchain rebuild order in one of the PKGBUILDs
[06:13:04] <elibrokeit> it's not like gcc and libmpc :p
[06:13:15] <deep42thought> yes, gcc is in the race, too
[06:13:29] <elibrokeit> sure, but the toolchain rebuild order is mostly for doing full bootstrap builds
[06:13:39] <deep42thought> because I didn't know better, I took that comment literally: linux-api-headers -> glibc -> binutils -> gcc -> binutils -> glibc
[06:13:58] <elibrokeit> once you have a working glibc, linux-api-headers, binutils, gcc -- you can bump the glibc version without fuss
[06:14:02] <deep42thought> so a major version bump does not make this whole thing necessary, you say?
[06:14:24] <deep42thought> oh
[06:14:24] <elibrokeit> it depends on the situation, but you don't *always* have to do that
[06:14:38] <deep42thought> well, but "sometimes" is enough for us
[06:14:48] <deep42thought> to rectify its own logic
[06:14:50] <elibrokeit> the problem is mainly how on earth do you build gcc/binutils without any libc at all
[06:15:16] <elibrokeit> so you need to bootstrap it with partial packages just far enough to finally get a working compiler toolchain
[06:15:21] <deep42thought> ah, so if the gcc build fails, then I might need to build glibc first (and once at the end, too)?
[06:15:31] <elibrokeit> once the toolchain works, you can do a 2.28-5 => 2.28-6 rebuild just fine
[06:15:47] <elibrokeit> and 2.28 => 2.29 is not all that different
[06:15:49] <deep42thought> yes, pkgrel is no problem, I agree
[06:15:54] <deep42thought> hmm
[06:16:08] * deep42thought considers kicking out hundrets of lines of broken code
[06:16:35] <elibrokeit> where it gets hairy is bumping one dependency that then intrinsically changes how the other packages work
[06:16:43] <elibrokeit> like, again, gcc
[06:16:55] <elibrokeit> gcc is specially hairy, because it links to the system libmpc
[06:17:20] <elibrokeit> and if you bump libmpc, then gcc stops working until you rebuild gcc... without a gcc to compile gcc with!
[06:17:31] <deep42thought> yes
[06:17:39] <deep42thought> similar with systemd, pacman, ...
[06:17:58] <deep42thought> (though not that thoroughly tragic)
[06:18:02] <elibrokeit> and the other majorly hairy point is bootstrapping a new cross-compiler. Or bootstrapping archlinux itself on a new architecture...
[06:18:36] <elibrokeit> as for glibc, I've been running regular glibc-git builds for quite some time now
[06:18:57] <elibrokeit> just using the AUR glibc-git PKGBUILD, and running makechrootpkg with no frills or ordering
[06:19:17] <elibrokeit> everything on the system still works, because glibc is *stable*
[06:19:22] <elibrokeit> like, really stable
[06:19:56] <elibrokeit> I may have mentioned this before, but glibc is the kind of stable where they explicitly support that new glibc still runs all your binaries from 1997
[06:20:24] <elibrokeit> supporting your binaries from last month is easy peasy :)
[06:20:48] <deep42thought> !grab elibrokeit
[06:20:49] <phrik> deep42thought: Tada!
[06:20:57] <elibrokeit> so... essentially the trick to updating the toolchain packages is to follow archlinux, by only rebuilding the ones we do
[06:21:05] <elibrokeit> I may have mentioned this before, but glibc is the kind of stable where they explicitly support that new glibc still runs all your binaries from 1997; supporting your binaries from last month is easy peasy :)
[06:21:08] <deep42thought> ok, I'll seriously consider removing that extra logic which is broken for i686/pentium4
[06:21:33] <deep42thought> we /do/ rebuild only what you build (usually)
[06:21:49] <deep42thought> but gcc and glibc entered the build-list, because I changed some syntax in the PKGBUILD
[06:22:41] <deep42thought> !grab elibrokeit
[06:22:41] <phrik> deep42thought: Tada!
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[07:20:01] <buildmaster> Hi abaumann!
[07:20:01] <buildmaster> !rq abaumann
[07:20:03] <phrik> buildmaster: <abaumann> Why not copy postfix into systemd?
[07:23:55] <buildmaster> pentium4/android-tools are broken (says buildknecht).
[07:25:57] <abaumann> deep42thought: the buildmaster has some monitoring in place now: https://buildmaster.archlinux32.org
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[07:38:55] <buildmaster> Hi deep42thought!
[07:38:55] <buildmaster> !rq deep42thought
[07:38:57] <phrik> buildmaster: <deep42thought> my supervisor when I made my first shot with the laser: He handed me the remote and said: "Hey Erich, want to destroy a 20 Mio€ device?"
[07:39:04] <deep42thought> abaumann: nice :-)
[07:41:10] <deep42thought> why not put this info into our database? It seems to idle around most of the time anyways ;-P
[07:58:15] <buildmaster> pentium4/intel-media-driver is broken (says buildknecht).
[08:02:16] <buildmaster> pentium4/kcptun is broken (says buildknecht).
[08:24:51] <deep42thought> elibrokeit: regarding the bug: Then shadow.service should not complain about users with non-existent home directories
[08:25:53] <elibrokeit> Shadow.service is a lint service. Lint "errors" are often non-issues.
[08:26:08] <deep42thought> hmm
[08:26:55] <deep42thought> probably, I'll just completely recreate /etc/passwd from a cronjob or something :-D
[08:27:44] <elibrokeit> If you have enough levels in worshiping poettering, you can use temporary /etc
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[08:28:43] <elibrokeit> Meanwhile we cannot from a packagers perspective know where else there may be files owned by the ceph user
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[08:28:46] <buildmaster> Hi deep42thought!
[08:28:46] <buildmaster> !rq deep42thought
[08:28:46] <phrik> buildmaster: <deep42thought> computers ranked by dirt: smokers, car mechanics, bedroom, ...
[08:29:07] <deep42thought> that's true
[08:29:27] <deep42thought> what's the downside of having files with an invalid owner?
[08:29:33] <elibrokeit> Which is true -- the poettering thing or the thing I said while you vanished?
[08:29:45] <deep42thought> what you said
[08:30:48] <buildmaster> pentium4/prometheus-node-exporter is broken (says rechenknecht).
[08:31:13] <deep42thought> buildmaster: YOU broke it!
[08:31:24] <elibrokeit> it's not a problem if the user vanishes -- it is a problem if, because the user vanished, the uid gets reallocated to a brand-new user, who might then have access to data files with a reserved security context
[08:31:52] <deep42thought> but that's something, only root can do
[08:32:09] <deep42thought> ... but otoh he might not be aware of doing it ...
[08:32:14] <deep42thought> ok, point taken
[08:32:18] <elibrokeit> or to float a random thought, if for some silly reason the ceph user had a suid binary then suddenly setuid a different, new user.
[08:32:47] <elibrokeit> and yes, you don't let the root user, or, well, sysusers.d, have room to hang itself
[08:32:53] <deep42thought> userdel should check, that there are no files of that user anymore - also on offline media ;-P
[08:33:47] <elibrokeit> yes, pls check all my terabytes of inodes. userdel isn't nearly as slow as loading facebook.com yet :p
[08:34:23] <deep42thought> :-D
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[08:36:35] <deep42thought> /usr/lib/libm.so.6 is owned by glibc 2.28-5.5
[08:36:37] <deep42thought> but
[08:36:46] <deep42thought> gpg: /usr/lib/libm.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.29' not found (required by /usr/lib/libsqlite3.so.0)
[08:36:48] <deep42thought> O.o
[08:36:49] <deep42thought> hmmm
[08:51:02] <buildmaster> pentium4/prometheus are broken (says rechenknecht).
[09:04:48] <elibrokeit> deep42thought: sounds like libsqlite needs the symbol?
[09:05:16] <elibrokeit> You can use my utility script to investigate general issues like this: https://github.com
[09:05:30] <elibrokeit> -s will actually search linked symbols, surprisingly :)
[09:05:40] <deep42thought> elibrokeit: I found the issue, once I read the error message completely
[09:05:59] <deep42thought> somehow sqlite was updated but glibc remained old
[09:06:10] <deep42thought> they're both in-sync in the repos, though
[09:06:11] <elibrokeit> although under the hood it is just nm -D on each file in the package tarball...
[09:06:29] <elibrokeit> and yup -- old glibc can break anything built against newer glibc
[09:06:43] <elibrokeit> always better to update glibc too soon, rather than too late :)
[09:13:14] <buildmaster> i686/python-iwlib is broken (says eurobuild3).
[09:14:09] <buildmaster> i686/nasm is broken (says eurobuild3).
[09:14:52] <buildmaster> i686/libunwind is broken (says eurobuild3).
[09:15:33] <buildmaster> i686/subversion is broken (says eurobuild3).
[09:15:35] <deep42thought> abaumann: you build slave runs amok: it gets 403's when trying to access your mirror
[09:16:05] <buildmaster> i686/broadcom-wl-dkms are broken (says eurobuild3).
[09:17:14] <deep42thought> I disabled your build slave for now - once you fixed the issue with your mirror, you/I can change the line in .ssh/authorized_keys on the buildmaster back :-)
[09:29:15] <buildmaster> i686/doxygen is broken (says rechenknecht).
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[10:10:36] <buildmaster> Hi abaumann!
[10:10:36] <buildmaster> !rq abaumann
[10:10:37] <phrik> buildmaster: <abaumann> bleep. I'm human.
[10:10:40] <deep42thought> Hi abaumann!
[10:10:45] <abaumann> hi deep42thought
[10:10:50] <abaumann> huh. bad build slave..
[10:11:05] <deep42thought> did you fix it already?
[10:11:13] <deep42thought> (or more likely: your mirror)
[10:11:24] <abaumann> my mirror should be up..
[10:11:31] <deep42thought> it gives 403
[10:11:35] <deep42thought> so some permission problem
[10:11:42] <abaumann> ah..
[10:11:45] <deep42thought> ... at least, that's what the log of the buildslave said
[10:12:08] <abaumann> drwxr-xr-x 12 1008 100 4096 Apr 13 13:01 pentium4
[10:12:10] <abaumann> mmh
[10:12:19] <abaumann> ah. I see.
[10:12:21] <deep42thought> no user 1008?
[10:12:33] <abaumann> I have to force uids on my machine.. they are hardly the same as on the mirror. :-)
[10:12:50] <abaumann> forgot to add pentium4 there
[10:12:53] <deep42thought> you rsync the uid, too?
[10:12:59] <abaumann> yep.
[10:13:02] <deep42thought> oh
[10:13:04] <abaumann> smart thing. ey? ;-)
[10:13:22] <deep42thought> we should add a convention for a system user "archlinux32" :-D
[10:13:30] <abaumann> *abaumann does some hackeroo on his rsync-woodo-script..
[10:13:40] <deep42thought> !grab abaumann
[10:13:41] <phrik> deep42thought: Tada!
[10:13:45] <abaumann> automatically added via systemd, of course. ;-)
[10:13:52] <deep42thought> yes, how else?
[10:14:16] <abaumann> I can imagine an /etc filesystem.. ;-)
[10:14:22] <abaumann> etcfs or so
[10:14:49] <deep42thought> auto-generated by systemd?
[10:15:14] <deep42thought> yeah, why not move /etc/passwd to /run/passwd :-D
[10:15:29] <abaumann> and symlink it
[10:15:53] <deep42thought> I was more thinking of using /run/passwd if it exists and /etc/passwd as the default for that
[10:16:04] <abaumann> :-)
[10:17:25] <abaumann> sudo root has different shell limits for argument lists? root gets Argument list too long
[10:17:28] <abaumann> normal user not?
[10:17:32] <abaumann> what is that?
[10:17:48] <abaumann> only in sudo..
[10:17:51] <abaumann> ohje.
[10:17:54] <deep42thought> hmm
[10:18:11] <deep42thought> "Argument list too long" sounds like you should rather use find :-)
[10:18:53] <abaumann> you should rather not use bash..
[10:19:32] <abaumann> so.. I run a pentium4 test on my slave.. locally.. rebuilding the pentium4 chroot, just to make sure..
[10:19:59] <deep42thought> I activated the access for your build slave again
[10:20:07] <abaumann> thanks :-)
[10:21:39] <abaumann> ah, you added file-truncated-while-reading-soname-after-patchelf.patch locally, so glibc can continue building..
[10:21:47] <deep42thought> yes
[10:21:53] <deep42thought> but it was fixed upstream, too
[10:21:58] <deep42thought> I think/hope
[10:22:20] <deep42thought> I'm just afraid removing it again, because then glibc might be scheduled again :-D
[10:22:28] <abaumann> [arch32@eurobuild3 packages]$ find glibc/ -name file-truncated-while-reading-soname-after-patchelf.patch
[10:22:31] <abaumann> glibc/repos/core-x86_64/file-truncated-while-reading-soname-after-patchelf.patch
[10:22:34] <abaumann> glibc/trunk/file-truncated-while-reading-soname-after-patchelf.patch
[10:22:36] <abaumann> yes.
[10:22:42] <abaumann> for sure it will :-)
[10:22:49] <deep42thought> this is after "asp32 export"?
[10:22:58] <deep42thought> because, that command also adds our additional files
[10:23:07] <deep42thought> try with -u
[10:23:08] <abaumann> na. I checked the bare git repo
[10:23:12] <deep42thought> ah, good
[10:23:16] <deep42thought> I'll remove it
[10:23:24] <deep42thought> if the PKGBUILD is not touched, it /should/ not be rescheduled
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[10:23:34] <abaumann> good
[10:23:58] <abaumann> mmh. can I add bug reporters?
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[10:24:13] <abaumann> https://bbs.archlinux32.org
[10:24:14] <phrik> Title: How to submit bug? / Creating/Maintaining Packages / Arch Linux 32 Forums (at bbs.archlinux32.org)
[10:24:26] <deep42thought> dunno
[10:24:30] <deep42thought> let me check
[10:24:49] <abaumann> If he registered, there should be a "acknowledge" dialog somewhere..
[10:25:17] <deep42thought> you're an admin, so you should be able to add bug reporters
[10:25:35] <deep42thought> you need to upgrade him to "reporters"
[10:25:43] <deep42thought> "basic" is just not enough to report bugs
[10:25:56] <abaumann> ah.
[10:26:09] <abaumann> thanks. done.
[10:28:30] <abaumann> mmh. this certificate thing is nasty..
[10:29:22] <deep42thought> yes
[10:29:38] <abaumann> well, in firefox I can still access the page when accepting the security rist..
[10:29:41] <abaumann> *risk
[10:29:48] <deep42thought> I think, it's time to move the critical services to servers where >1 person has full access
[10:30:02] <deep42thought> that's already true for the build master
[10:30:12] <deep42thought> the mirror is another problem (if I'm unavailable)
[10:30:31] <deep42thought> otoh I have the feeling, archlinux32 dies anyway if I get overrun by a bus
[10:30:44] <abaumann> for the buildmaster, I can also add some SSH keys of yours, so you have access to the admin interface and the console..
[10:30:54] <abaumann> !grab deep42thought
[10:30:55] <deep42thought> I have root access
[10:30:56] <phrik> abaumann: 🎉
[10:31:03] <deep42thought> err
[10:31:08] <deep42thought> which did it grab?
[10:31:14] <abaumann> dunno :-)
[10:31:42] <deep42thought> !quote deep42thought
[10:31:43] <phrik> deep42thought: <deep42thought> otoh I have the feeling, archlinux32 dies anyway if I get overrun by a bus
[10:32:08] <abaumann> very true.
[10:32:43] <deep42thought> and I really dislike giving anyone (nearly-)root access to the master mirror - in the end it's still our lab server :-D
[10:32:58] <abaumann> oh. yeah. I totally understand that. :-)
[10:33:23] <abaumann> I'm starting to think to add some more resources to the project..
[10:33:39] <abaumann> ..I just don't like the idea of non-bare-metal (as now with the buildmaster) too much.
[10:33:47] <deep42thought> yeah
[10:33:54] <deep42thought> but it's more flexible
[10:34:11] <deep42thought> the master mirror is bare metal :-)
[10:34:19] <abaumann> :-)
[10:43:13] <deep42thought> I think, we can do a lot of the devops stuff, when I meet you in Zürich
[10:43:28] <abaumann> yeah. exactly. was thinking the same thing.
[10:44:03] <deep42thought> though, it would be good if we could then start right-away and do not need to wait for some hoster to set up a machine ;-)
[10:44:34] <abaumann> yeah. real servers don't grow on trees. ;-)
[10:44:41] <deep42thought> !grab abaumann
[10:44:42] <phrik> deep42thought: Tada!
[10:46:21] <abaumann> Failed to attach 3960 to compat systemd cgroup /user.slice/user-0.slice/session-14.scope/payload: No such file or directory
[10:46:26] <abaumann> oh no!
[10:46:45] <deep42thought> I haven't really found a workaround for that w/o rebooting the slave ...
[10:47:02] <deep42thought> systemd makes linux nowadays really feel like windows
[10:47:06] <abaumann> .. the slave being a real metal machine with the mirror on it. :->
[10:47:11] <deep42thought> :-D
[10:47:44] <abaumann> I personally start to think, Windows is more stable..
[10:47:57] <deep42thought> but it needs a reboot after every update
[10:48:39] <abaumann> and it tends to update itself whenever it wants. :->
[10:48:46] <deep42thought> :-D
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[12:32:33] <buildmaster> i686/libretro-blastem is broken (says buildknecht).
[13:34:34] <buildmaster> pentium4/breeze-icons are broken (says rechenknecht).
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[13:37:44] <buildmaster> pentium4/oxygen-icons are broken (says buildknecht).
[13:41:48] <buildmaster> i686/giada is broken (says buildknecht).
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[13:47:47] <buildmaster> Hi abaumann!
[13:47:47] <buildmaster> !rq abaumann
[13:47:48] <phrik> buildmaster: <abaumann> who would have thought digital books burn too. ;-)
[14:13:55] <buildmaster> pentium4/mysql-workbench is broken (says rechenknecht).
[14:37:45] <buildmaster> i686/mysql-workbench is broken (says buildknecht).
[15:03:06] <buildmaster> pentium4/deepin-dock is broken (says eurobuild3).
[15:05:57] <deep42thought> one may think, all this broken packages floating in is a bad sign - but I count it as a good sign: the buildmaster is up and running and glibc/gcc are off the build list :-D
[15:08:54] <buildmaster> pentium4/kde-dev-scripts are broken (says eurobuild3).
[15:19:58] <abaumann> oeh. linux, double fix?
[15:20:15] <deep42thought> double?
[15:20:24] <deep42thought> arrgh
[15:20:30] <abaumann> sorry :-)
[15:20:40] <abaumann> yours is better..
[15:20:50] <abaumann> ..I'm pretty sure, I forgot something..
[15:21:01] <deep42thought> I just ran "devops/update-archlinux32-package linux"
[15:21:07] <abaumann> btw. I'm fixing openssl-1.0 for pentium4 and sse2
[15:21:13] <deep42thought> :-)
[15:21:53] <abaumann> sometimes a version control system with locking like RCS is better.
[15:23:06] <deep42thought> or I should take a look at the last few commits befor doing such stuff :-D
[15:23:18] <abaumann> :-)
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[15:28:49] <buildmaster> Hi abaumann!
[15:28:49] <buildmaster> !rq abaumann
[15:28:49] <phrik> buildmaster: <abaumann> very soon only a machine learning algorithm will be able to devise a build plan for a Linux distribution..
[15:47:58] <abaumann> uiuii. openssl had no-ssl2 in it instead of no-sse2 :-)
[15:48:11] <abaumann> switching off ssl2 is also a good thing.. but..
[15:48:15] <deep42thought> what did it compile if not ssl?
[15:48:26] <abaumann> tls :-)
[15:48:32] <deep42thought> ah, right
[15:48:45] <abaumann> the flags are a little bit more sane now, I hope..
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[16:44:14] <buildmaster> pentium4/gitlab is broken (says rechenknecht).
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[18:45:57] <buildmaster> pentium4/broadcom-wl is broken (says buildknecht).
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[19:00:20] <buildmaster> pentium4/wireguard-arch is broken (says eurobuild3).
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[19:36:20] <buildmaster> Hi abaumann!
[19:36:20] <buildmaster> !rq abaumann
[19:36:21] <phrik> buildmaster: <abaumann> Welcome to the beatiful world of well-maintained Linux-software. :->
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[20:33:18] <buildmaster> i686/imagemagick6 is broken (says eurobuild3).
[21:01:34] <buildmaster> i686/cmake is broken (says buildknecht).
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[23:37:00] <buildmaster> i686/rust is broken (says rechenknecht).
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[23:46:15] <buildmaster> Hi deep42thought!
[23:46:15] <buildmaster> !rq deep42thought
[23:46:15] <phrik> buildmaster: * deep42thought listens carefully, but doesn't hear any bells ringing over here
[23:46:38] <deep42thought> cool, cmake's package() requires a working emacs - what a brave new world
[23:46:57] <deep42thought> emacs: error while loading shared libraries: libicui18n.so.63: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[23:46:57] <deep42thought> ==> ERROR: A failure occurred in package().