#archlinux32 | Logs for 2019-12-16

[00:03:55] <buildmaster> i686/magma is broken (says eurobuild6-4): https://archlinux32.org
[00:04:41] <buildmaster> pentium4/magma is broken (says eurobuild6-6): https://archlinux32.org
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[00:12:23] <buildmaster> i486/magma is broken (says nlopc46-i486bs0): https://archlinux32.org
[00:20:52] <buildmaster> i686/prometheus are broken (says eurobuild6-5): https://archlinux32.org
[00:20:55] <buildmaster> any/namcap is broken (says eurobuild6-6): https://archlinux32.org
[00:25:08] <buildmaster> pentium4/prometheus are broken (says nlopc46): https://archlinux32.org
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[01:16:11] <buildmaster> i686/android-tools are broken (says eurobuild6-5): https://archlinux32.org
[01:19:45] <buildmaster> pentium4/android-tools are broken (says eurobuild6-4): https://archlinux32.org
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[01:41:07] <buildmaster> pentium4/nageru is broken (says rechenknecht) - already flagged out-of-date upstream on 2019-07-21: https://archlinux32.org
[01:46:12] <buildmaster> i486/python-h5py is broken (says nlopc46-i486bs0): https://archlinux32.org
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[01:46:54] <buildmaster> i686/nageru is broken (says eurobuild6-4) - already flagged out-of-date upstream on 2019-07-21: https://archlinux32.org
[01:52:40] <nit-picker> commit 150fdf045c8f615d4f7fc36ad5ab2a021ead8338 is missing from repository community
[01:52:41] <nit-picker> commit 150fdf045c8f615d4f7fc36ad5ab2a021ead8338 is not an ancestor of HEAD 4487e37e8316c4896e317d3bd8eef21b35488eca in repository community
[01:56:32] <buildmaster> i486/python-h5py-openmpi is broken (says nlopc46-i486bs0): https://archlinux32.org
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[04:05:29] <buildmaster> i486/intel-compute-runtime is broken (says nlopc46-i486bs1): https://archlinux32.org
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[05:18:27] <buildmaster> i486/fpylll is broken (says nlopc46-i486bs1): https://archlinux32.org
[05:33:11] <nit-picker> commit 150fdf045c8f615d4f7fc36ad5ab2a021ead8338 is missing from repository community
[05:33:11] <nit-picker> commit 150fdf045c8f615d4f7fc36ad5ab2a021ead8338 is not an ancestor of HEAD 70778adaa6ad02a2b9dad1ce36d487265c0b88fd in repository community
[05:51:49] <buildmaster> girls, please have a look at my dirty database
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[08:05:00] <buildmaster> Hi nit-picker!
[08:05:00] <buildmaster> !rq nit-picker
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[08:06:28] <buildmaster> Hi deep42thought!
[08:06:28] <buildmaster> !rq deep42thought
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[08:52:27] <nit-picker> key 2FF1E976D6EB2E954A87DC14443904EC9EC51A8A (from Roelf Wichertjes (archlinux32 master key) <contact@roelf.org>) in package archlinux32-keyring-transition-20191103-1-any.pkg.tar.xz expires on 2019-11-13 (in -32 < 100 days).
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[12:28:36] <buildmaster> i486/yubioath-desktop is broken (says nlopc46-i486bs0): https://archlinux32.org
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[12:42:05] <nit-picker> key 2FF1E976D6EB2E954A87DC14443904EC9EC51A8A (from Roelf Wichertjes (archlinux32 master key) <contact@roelf.org>) in package archlinux32-keyring-20191103-1.0-any.pkg.tar.xz expires on 2019-11-13 (in -32 < 100 days).
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[16:16:00] <cyberyl> hello
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[16:25:29] <cyberyl> according to my cpu flags, my computer supports pentium4 architecture
[16:26:33] <cyberyl> but i was wondering where i can download it
[16:27:32] <cyberyl> the iso of arch32 for this architecture
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[16:37:43] <soalokin> there is no specific iso for individual cpus afaik
[16:38:19] <soalokin> if you want a kernel built for your cpu, you will have to compile your own
[16:38:56] <cyberyl> but the homepage says: Currently we have official packages optimized for the i686 and pentium4 architectures. Also most(ly) non-graphical packages are available for i486, too. Have a look at the required cpu flags to decide which architecture is the right one for you. Most packages from Arch Linux's community-operated package repository are also compatible with Arch Linux 32.
[16:39:36] <cyberyl> https://www.archlinux32.org
[16:39:39] <phrik> Title: Arch Linux 32 (at www.archlinux32.org)
[16:40:44] <soalokin> the packages in the official repo are optimized for those architectures already
[16:41:03] <soalokin> so just install archlinux32
[16:41:31] <soalokin> just download the official iso, and u are fine
[16:42:05] <cyberyl> so i can just install the i686 iso, right?
[16:42:45] <soalokin> pretty sure yes, there is no other one
[16:42:53] <soalokin> a dual bootable one from what i see
[16:43:00] <soalokin> not sure what that one is about
[16:43:00] <cyberyl> yeah
[16:43:30] <cyberyl> i never used arch32, do you have to make a lot of adjustments to be able to use it?
[16:43:43] <cyberyl> if any
[16:43:48] <soalokin> ive only tested it on an old laptop, converted an old 64bit installation to 32
[16:43:53] <soalokin> didnt seem like much efforts
[16:44:05] <soalokin> id imagine, if its a fresh install
[16:44:11] <soalokin> u wont have to do much if anything,
[16:45:00] <cyberyl> ok cool, thanks for helping me then :)
[16:45:51] <soalokin> You might want to take a look at the repos in arch32
[16:46:05] <soalokin> they have seperate ones for different architectures
[16:46:30] <cyberyl> the AUR you mean?
[16:46:34] <soalokin> No
[16:46:40] <soalokin> aur is unnoficial packages
[16:47:04] <soalokin> https://www.archlinux32.org
[16:47:08] <phrik> Title: Arch Linux 32 - Package Search (at www.archlinux32.org)
[16:47:16] <soalokin> there are repositories for pentium4 stuff
[16:47:31] <soalokin> dl the arch iso, boot it, and have a look at /etc/pacman.conf
[16:47:44] <soalokin> you can probably specify the repos you want to use in there
[16:47:48] <cyberyl> oh ok right
[16:47:59] <cyberyl> its here that I can use the pentium4 setting
[16:48:29] <soalokin> not really sure what they are doing by default, but it should not be too hard to figure out where to go from here
[16:48:55] <soalokin> maybe u are able to install the base system using only the pentium4 repo
[16:49:14] <cyberyl> i think i will
[16:49:34] <cyberyl> since they say: Currently we have official packages optimized for the i686 and pentium4 architectures.
[16:49:53] <soalokin> yes, there are repos for both
[16:51:43] <cyberyl> so thanks for helping, im currently also researching some other distro's a little bit, im pretty new to linux, but i already did a basic arch install on another computer
[16:51:53] <cyberyl> not arch32 though
[16:52:49] <soalokin> arch32 is for hardware that cant really support 64bit
[16:52:49] <cyberyl> like i also heard about gentoo, which is also very customizable i think
[16:53:00] <soalokin> gentoo isnt really for beginners
[16:53:11] <soalokin> u might want to stay away from it for now :P
[16:53:31] <cyberyl> true :D, but on the other hand it wont hurt to try it anyway
[16:53:38] <soalokin> it might hurt.
[16:53:49] <soalokin> try it in a virtual environment
[16:53:52] <cyberyl> if im stuck i can install something else
[16:54:02] <cyberyl> i have a dedicated laptop for experimenting
[16:54:17] <cyberyl> but i might just go with arch
[16:54:21] <soalokin> in gentoo, you will have to compile everything pretty much, so it will take a long time, longer on slower hardware
[16:55:09] <soalokin> arch is a fine choice for a beginner imo
[16:55:35] <soalokin> you cant go wrong with arch as ur first main distro
[16:55:46] <cyberyl> yeah ill probably just go with arch
[16:55:55] <soalokin> why arch32? got some old hardware?
[16:56:01] <cyberyl> yeah
[16:56:06] <cyberyl> my processor is 32bit
[16:56:11] <cyberyl> its an old laptop
[16:56:27] <soalokin> howd ur first arch install go? :)
[16:56:34] <soalokin> got it all up and running?
[16:56:54] <cyberyl> well i got as far as installing sway
[16:57:09] <soalokin> what gpu drivers are u using?
[16:57:17] <cyberyl> had to ask for some help occasionally on irc
[16:57:19] <soalokin> mesa?
[16:57:24] <soalokin> the intel stuff
[16:57:27] <soalokin> right?
[16:58:01] <cyberyl> oh i dont remember, maybe i havent got to installing them
[16:58:09] <soalokin> sway wont work without it
[16:58:15] <soalokin> without gpu drivers
[16:58:20] <cyberyl> hmm sec
[16:58:22] <soalokin> no graphical stuff will
[16:58:57] <cyberyl> it was intel
[16:59:06] <soalokin> do you have a reason for choosing sway?
[17:00:09] <cyberyl> that was another newer laptop, but on my current laptop with 32bit processor i have ATI
[17:00:15] <soalokin> whyd you decide on using sway first i mean
[17:00:25] <cyberyl> just wanted to try it out
[17:00:31] <cyberyl> some guys recommended it on irc as well
[17:00:37] <buildmaster> i486/coin-or-mp is broken (says nlopc46-i486bs1): https://archlinux32.org
[17:00:50] <soalokin> sway is just i3, but using wayland
[17:01:00] <soalokin> if you want a tiling window manager , try out i3
[17:01:09] <cyberyl> im not used to tiling window manager
[17:01:11] <cyberyl> s
[17:01:19] <soalokin> thats what sway is though
[17:01:35] <cyberyl> sway is basically a clone of i3 for weyland as i understood
[17:01:43] <soalokin> exactly
[17:01:46] <soalokin> and i3 is a tiling window manager
[17:01:56] <cyberyl> yeah i know, im not used to them, but i want to learn
[17:02:02] <soalokin> yes, that is fine
[17:02:10] <soalokin> but i would suggest trying out i3 isntead of sway
[17:02:18] <cyberyl> maybe ill go x11 route now
[17:02:23] <soalokin> yeah , i would
[17:02:40] <soalokin> could always try sway too, ull need to install some additional stuff if u want X11 apps to work
[17:02:59] <soalokin> most graphical things are using X11 atm
[17:03:12] <soalokin> sway isnt the standard yet
[17:03:23] <cyberyl> yeah, i know, i tried turning x11 off, but many applications wouldnt work
[17:03:26] <soalokin> i mean wayland isnt the standard
[17:03:34] <soalokin> really?
[17:03:42] <soalokin> if you cant get regular X11 working, somthing is wrong
[17:03:56] <cyberyl> no i mean in sway u can turn x11 support off
[17:04:00] <cyberyl> if i remember correctly
[17:04:04] <soalokin> u probably dont want this
[17:04:10] <soalokin> as most apps are using X11
[17:04:13] <cyberyl> yeah
[17:04:29] <soalokin> i would still recommend going x11 route and try i3
[17:04:37] <soalokin> and read up on what a compositor is, and if u even want one
[17:04:43] <cyberyl> yeah i think ill do that
[17:04:53] <soalokin> there are standalone compositors available, one popular one is called compton aka picom
[17:04:55] <cyberyl> since its been around for a longer time, less buggy
[17:05:17] <soalokin> compositors are for desktop effects, things like shadows and more
[17:05:23] <cyberyl> and i can always try sway later on, when i get more experience with traditional stuff
[17:05:30] <soalokin> yeah
[17:05:42] <soalokin> you could try out both simultaneously, as well
[17:05:53] <soalokin> you can have 5 different tiling window managers instaled
[17:05:57] <soalokin> and choose which one to start
[17:06:10] <soalokin> this goes for desktop environments as well
[17:06:15] <cyberyl> yeah you can start them manually
[17:06:19] <soalokin> its easier if you use a display manager
[17:06:36] <cyberyl> display manager?
[17:06:56] <soalokin> https://wiki.archlinux.org
[17:06:56] <phrik> Title: Display manager - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
[17:07:00] <soalokin> arch wiki will be your home
[17:07:47] <soalokin> have you loaded any graphics yet?
[17:08:01] <cyberyl> what do you mean by loaded any graphics?
[17:08:21] <soalokin> the base arch install leave you with a command line, thats it
[17:08:35] <soalokin> if you want a desktop, or something like it, with graphics, ull need to install it yourself
[17:08:42] <cyberyl> well isnt sway that kinda thing?
[17:08:48] <soalokin> sure,
[17:08:54] <soalokin> have you loaded up sway yet?
[17:08:59] <cyberyl> yeah
[17:09:03] <soalokin> how?
[17:09:10] <soalokin> startx ?
[17:09:29] <cyberyl> it starts during the bootup
[17:09:35] <cyberyl> as i boot up
[17:09:48] <cyberyl> i type in my password in the terminal
[17:09:51] <cyberyl> and then sway loads
[17:09:54] <soalokin> or wait, sway uses 'sway' to load manually
[17:10:13] <cyberyl> i think it was configured in a config
[17:10:22] <soalokin> so you probably added something to your .bash_profile
[17:10:37] <cyberyl> yeah i think i did, its been a few months so my memory isnt fresh on that
[17:10:51] <soalokin> this might lead to confusion
[17:11:00] <soalokin> if you have not wrote down notes on things you did
[17:11:08] <soalokin> because normally, this is not happening by default
[17:11:20] <cyberyl> yeah i probably should write notes
[17:11:27] <cyberyl> but i didnt
[17:11:36] <soalokin> what if you wanted to try out, another window manager
[17:11:36] <cyberyl> well i was mostly following the wiki
[17:11:46] <cyberyl> i could open terminal in sway
[17:11:55] <cyberyl> or stop sway
[17:12:27] <soalokin> you could, but ud also have to remove your lines in ur bash_profile relating to sway
[17:12:33] <soalokin> if u wanted to switch to another window manager
[17:13:07] <soalokin> its better to automate things, after youve done it manually and understand better whats going on
[17:13:26] <soalokin> automating starting of your window manager is fine and all, as long as you know whats going on
[17:13:42] <cyberyl> i first started sway manually before i configured it automatically
[17:13:50] <soalokin> good
[17:13:53] <cyberyl> so i knew what i was doing
[17:14:14] <soalokin> you could just stick with sway for now if u dont feel like switching
[17:14:33] <soalokin> if u have issues with compatibility between sway and x11 apps, that you will have to dig to find out whats going on
[17:14:36] <cyberyl> yeah but im doing this arch32 installation on another computer than i installed arch
[17:14:46] <cyberyl> its a completely fresh installation
[17:14:51] <soalokin> stuck with anything atm?
[17:14:58] <cyberyl> i havent started yet
[17:15:20] <soalokin> could always try in a virtual machine first :>
[17:15:41] <soalokin> or just go do it
[17:15:43] <cyberyl> yeah but why, i have this laptop sitting around doing nothing anyway
[17:15:44] <soalokin> shouldnt take long
[17:17:07] <soalokin> i3 is a fine choice too, for a window manager, starting out, i still use it myself. its simple.
[17:17:41] <cyberyl> do you prefer it to a traditional desktop environment?
[17:17:45] <soalokin> yup
[17:18:01] <cyberyl> what do you like more about tiling window managers?
[17:18:25] <soalokin> its minimal
[17:18:33] <soalokin> doesnt have a bunch of things i wont use
[17:18:36] <cyberyl> yeah i like minimalism too
[17:18:53] <cyberyl> so i understand better what is happening
[17:19:13] <soalokin> i also like to tile my windows with certain applications
[17:19:20] <soalokin> i dont want to have to manually resize things all the time
[17:19:54] <soalokin> there are minimal desktop environments too, and window managers that are not doing tiling
[17:20:02] <cyberyl> well i dont really have a problem with that, since you have snap functionality now in many desktop environments
[17:20:34] <soalokin> https://www.youtube.com
[17:20:36] <cyberyl> well i just want to try out a tiling w manager, and see for myself
[17:20:37] <phrik> Title: DistroTube - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
[17:20:39] <soalokin> good youtube channel for beginners
[17:20:47] <cyberyl> i know this one :)
[17:20:50] <soalokin> :)
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[17:21:30] <soalokin> are u using ssh?
[17:21:52] <soalokin> could always boot up ur main box, and ssh into the liveiso on ur old laptop
[17:22:13] <soalokin> and install arch via ssh in ur command line from the main box
[17:22:13] <cyberyl> oh i havent tried that yet
[17:23:28] <soalokin> just a suggestion, could just do it how u want
[17:23:33] <soalokin> whatever is easier for u
[17:23:45] <soalokin> using ssh in a basic way is easy though, ull just have to read the arch wiki for it
[17:23:51] <cyberyl> yeah i might try it sometime, but for now i think ill just do it on the computer itself
[17:24:11] <soalokin> hardest part for beginners in an arch install is probably the partition imo
[17:24:24] <soalokin> could always just throw everything into 1 partition to make it easier
[17:24:26] <cyberyl> i managed to do that last time
[17:24:38] <cyberyl> without any issues
[17:24:50] <soalokin> did u DL the iso yet and dd it to your usb? gogogo ;p
[17:25:05] <cyberyl> :D
[17:25:10] <cyberyl> soon soon
[17:25:19] <soalokin> could have installed arch already :P
[17:25:26] <cyberyl> ok i'll be going then
[17:25:36] <cyberyl> thanks again
[17:25:40] <soalokin> arch installs go fast if ur net is fairly fast
[17:25:52] <soalokin> in gentoo, ur talking easily 6+ hours lol
[17:25:54] <soalokin> ok gl!
[17:26:02] <cyberyl> hf
[17:26:16] <cyberyl> with whatever youre doing
[17:26:37] <cyberyl> bye
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[18:08:55] <buildmaster> i686/yoshimi is broken (says nlopc46): https://archlinux32.org
[18:10:11] <buildmaster> pentium4/yoshimi is broken (says eurobuild6-6): https://archlinux32.org
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[18:12:24] <phrik> buildmaster: <buildmaster> I might be insane, but never confused ... ;-)
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[19:33:20] <buildmaster> any/dbeaver-plugin-sshj is broken (says rechenknecht): https://archlinux32.org
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[22:04:21] <eschwartz> abaumann, deep42thought: anyone online right now?
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