#archlinux32 | Logs for 2021-02-27

[00:00:06] <stipa> i'll get it back to chn. just ot be sure
[00:00:12] <stipa> chn. 1*
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[00:05:47] <T`aZ_> you might need to benchmark to find the 2 most unused/fasted channels
[00:06:24] <stipa> i guess that depends on the antenna resonance?
[00:06:49] <T`aZ_> i don't know
[00:07:02] <stipa> well. it's a mess
[00:07:03] <T`aZ_> try #physics ? :o
[00:07:19] <stipa> yeah, right
[00:07:36] <stipa> physics that eill lead me to same shit for 50 years
[00:07:37] <T`aZ_> im only half joking, this is out my competencies, im a software guy :p
[00:08:17] <stipa> ok
[00:08:30] <stipa> your help means alot T`aZ_
[00:08:37] <stipa> i won't forget it
[00:09:14] <T`aZ_> well, glad it helped a bit
[00:09:34] <stipa> yeah it dod, it did
[00:09:44] <T`aZ_> the main thing to remeber is, same channel = same sharred hald duplex medium
[00:09:48] <T`aZ_> half*
[00:10:04] <T`aZ_> unless it changed somehow in the last 15 years :p
[00:10:30] <stipa> combining
[00:10:41] <stipa> wired and wireless is
[00:10:52] <stipa> pita
[00:11:15] <stipa> but i guess a lot of it i s just bad code
[00:11:50] <stipa> it's logical that with two radios you would get full bandwodth if repeated at the other side
[00:11:57] <stipa> so it's code problem
[00:12:25] <stipa> krenel
[00:12:27] <T`aZ_> this is why i put rj45 cables everywhere
[00:13:13] <stipa> yrah
[00:13:19] <stipa> yeah* ok
[00:13:26] <stipa> makes sense
[00:13:55] <stipa> wifi ax is pushin over 1Gbs
[00:14:22] <T`aZ_> yeah, i have some friends reaching that speed indeed
[00:14:47] <stipa> why not to get rid of the cables
[00:15:13] <stipa> "snakes" as women would call it
[00:15:32] <T`aZ_> still faster, full duplex, less energy needed, no need to upgrade to wifi ax for each computers i have
[00:16:06] <stipa> that's true
[00:16:10] <T`aZ_> 1gbps ethernet is available on cheap hardware since +10 years so .. :p
[00:17:04] <stipa> well
[00:17:28] <stipa> some building have inbilit ethernet cables in the walls
[00:17:53] <stipa> why not use that speed
[00:18:01] <stipa> infrastructure*
[00:19:51] <stipa> if i would build a house for me i would put fibre in it
[00:20:19] <T`aZ_> fibre is expensive
[00:20:21] <stipa> but can you connect a fany phone to it?
[00:20:28] <stipa> fancy*
[00:20:38] <stipa> not really, it needs wifi
[00:21:22] <stipa> but would i connect pc to it
[00:21:29] <stipa> yeah, sure
[00:21:41] <stipa> it all depends on a need
[00:22:10] <stipa> having both wifi and "faster" network is oke
[00:22:36] <stipa> T`aZ_:
[00:22:43] <stipa> fibre is expensive
[00:24:34] <stipa> i'm seeing some cheap interfaces online
[00:24:39] <stipa> on ebay
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[00:46:19] <T`aZ_> but still rj45 is way superior imo
[00:46:53] <T`aZ_> gf doesnt agree though :
[00:46:55] <T`aZ_> :p
[00:50:04] <stipa> well
[00:50:27] <stipa> for a HD youtube video 8Mbs is enoguh
[00:51:02] <stipa> idk
[00:51:21] <stipa> i guess that somewhere in the middle is ok to be
[00:51:53] <stipa> shitty repeater
[00:52:04] <stipa> that looses half of bandwodth
[00:52:17] <stipa> is oke for today needs
[00:52:54] <stipa> especailly gf
[00:53:08] <stipa> shel'b be satisified with even 360p
[00:53:30] <stipa> 360p YT video
[00:53:47] <stipa> but ig there's no video ar all, that's the problem
[00:54:38] <T`aZ_> gf is happy with shitty wifi 54mbps
[00:54:47] <stipa> right
[00:55:01] <stipa> it's at leas 2 MBytes per sec
[00:55:22] <stipa> that runs YT like crazy
[00:55:42] <stipa> and al other crap
[00:56:56] <stipa> so 54MBs per user is enough
[00:57:19] <stipa> idk, that
[00:57:30] <stipa> VR, AR stuff
[00:57:39] <stipa> 3D stuff
[00:57:55] <stipa> idk how that behaves
[00:58:49] <stipa> but 53MBs 10 years ago was shared betweene many user os nwlan
[00:58:54] <stipa> 54*
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[00:59:05] <stipa> on wlan*
[00:59:25] <stipa> or Mb
[00:59:28] <stipa> yeah
[00:59:30] <stipa> sorry
[00:59:34] <stipa> Megabits
[00:59:55] <stipa> so much standards
[01:00:54] <stipa> girls: how much Mb is enough for your daily needs?
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[03:53:48] <buildmaster> i486/linux is broken (says nlopc46-i486bs1): https://archlinux32.org
[04:09:53] <buildmaster> i486/libxcrypt is broken (says nlopc46-i486bs1): https://archlinux32.org
[04:22:48] <buildmaster> i486/udisks2 is broken (says nlopc46-i486bs1): https://archlinux32.org
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[12:07:05] <ignapk_> I believe the icu67 issue that prevented latest 3.38 epiphany build check https://buildmaster.archlinux32.org from succeeding should be now fixed (at least lddtree doesn't report it being pulled by 3.36 locally), could someone trigger it again? :p
[12:09:18] <trotz> 2021/02/27 12:08 WARN buildmaster OS updates 3 updates, 0 ignored
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[15:12:22] <buildmaster> Hi abaumann!
[15:12:23] <buildmaster> !rq abaumann
[15:12:23] <phrik> buildmaster: <abaumann> nobody wrote an operating system in python yet?
[15:12:48] <abaumann> ignapk_: epiphany fails just in the check.. I have to have a look if I just ignored the tests for now..
[15:13:08] <abaumann> ..and besides, the browser will not work because of the broken seccomp jaliling.
[15:13:13] <abaumann> *jailing
[15:14:12] <abaumann> ah. no. it even works. :-)
[15:18:27] <abaumann> Bail out! FATAL-WARNING: Error loading plugin: libicuuc.so.67: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[15:18:30] <abaumann> mmh.
[15:25:15] <abaumann> lddtree /usr/lib/libnuspell.so.4.0.1
[15:25:16] <abaumann> libicuuc.so.67 => None
[15:25:34] <abaumann> found it. I'll retrigger them.
[15:25:53] <abaumann> This needs a more systematic approach, like automatic installing and ldding with a report.
[15:26:01] <abaumann> we had a report once in the buildmaster..
[15:26:57] <abaumann> https://archlinux32.org
[15:27:20] <abaumann> this is filled with haskell and not complete. ok.
[15:27:54] <abaumann> deep42thought: btw, Haskell, the dependency trees get humongous and have tons of cycles. devicing a build order is really not easy.
[15:28:23] <abaumann> the current heuristic approach should actually build a working Haskell (with the check-ommit-straw and the retriggering)
[15:28:35] <abaumann> and ArchlinuxARM never had a haskel bootstrapped, it seems..
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[15:34:58] <buildmaster> pentium4/nuspell is broken (says eurobuild6-1): https://archlinux32.org
[15:35:04] <buildmaster> i686/nuspell is broken (says eurobuild6-2): https://archlinux32.org
[15:35:12] <abaumann> pff, darn.
[15:35:36] <abaumann> Nobody believes how many software has to be maintained just to execute some tests or build some documentation..
[15:37:20] <buildmaster> pentium4/haskell-options are broken (says nlopc46) - I rescheduled: haskell-monads-tf: https://archlinux32.org
[15:38:24] <abaumann> of course: nuspell fails when generating man pages with yet another broken tool - this time in Ruby.
[15:38:25] <buildmaster> i486/nuspell is broken (says nlopc46-i486bs1): https://archlinux32.org
[15:38:27] <abaumann> cannot load such file -- hpricot_scan
[15:44:21] <abaumann> /usr/bin/ronn -r --pipe /build/nuspell/src/nuspell-4.2.0/docs/nuspell.1.md > nuspell.1
[15:44:24] <abaumann> cannot load such file -- hpricot_scan
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[15:49:54] <abaumann> -r --pipe /build/nuspell/src/nuspell-4.2.0/docs/nuspell.1.md ^C
[15:50:16] <abaumann> gem install hpricot in the chroot works, so ruby is also completely borked?
[15:50:25] <abaumann> I mean, our ruby packages..
[15:54:56] <buildmaster> pentium4/haskell-chell is still broken (says nlopc46) - I rescheduled: haskell-patience: https://archlinux32.org
[16:09:55] <buildmaster> pentium4/haskell-uuid is still broken (says nlopc46) - I rescheduled: haskell-cryptohash-sha1: https://archlinux32.org
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[17:02:52] <buildmaster> Hi deep42thought!
[17:02:53] <buildmaster> !rq deep42thought
[17:02:53] <phrik> buildmaster: <deep42thought> error messages which I write, usually are "you did X wrong" (the normal kind) or "I have no clue, how you got here, so I cannot help either" (the desperate kind)
[17:03:22] <deep42thought> abaumann: is https://archlinux32.org better?
[17:17:35] <abaumann> hi deep42thought
[17:17:42] <abaumann> I was not refering to your error messages :-)
[17:25:27] <deep42thought> yeah, but the link ignores haskell, too - much cleaner output IMHO
[17:25:32] <deep42thought> hi abaumann! :-D
[17:25:37] <abaumann> hi deep42thought
[17:26:27] <abaumann> https://github.com
[17:26:28] <phrik> Title: svntogit-community/PKGBUILD at packages/ruby-hpricot · archlinux/svntogit-community · GitHub (at github.com)
[17:26:37] <abaumann> removing .so files is dangerous IMHO
[17:27:19] <abaumann> if I run 'ronn' in 'nuspell' (to build the manpage) it somehow works on x86_64, but fails on i686 with hpricot_scan not found.
[17:27:26] <abaumann> So, I add a local patch for now.
[17:27:51] <abaumann> depends=(ruby)
[17:27:54] <abaumann> gem install --ignore-dependencies
[17:28:20] <abaumann> so, I would understand if dependencies are not installed (as they exist in packages), but then not to declare them above as dependencies I don't understand.
[17:35:27] <abaumann> btw: I tried to increase memory and number of threads on the mariadb server on the buildmaster. I didn't see any good effect.. also not a bad one.. :-)
[17:35:44] <deep42thought> so, it's still just slow?
[17:36:14] <abaumann> something uses 100% cpus.. and as parallelism doesn't help, it means, it's doing something blocking a lot of other transactions.
[17:36:52] <deep42thought> btw: linkdeps are in the database (or at least, they should be)
[17:36:59] <abaumann> ah.
[17:37:03] <deep42thought> so manually hunting down linking errors should be unnecessary
[17:37:20] <abaumann> nuspell had an icu.67 one.
[17:37:22] <deep42thought> look for install_targets in the form of "*.so" or even linking symbols
[17:37:30] <abaumann> ok
[17:37:34] <deep42thought> also the dependency_type "link" exists
[17:38:00] <abaumann> but installing a package and running let's say a 'ls --help' would be a nice quality assurance check.
[17:38:11] <abaumann> just very expensive to implement and do automatically
[17:38:15] <deep42thought> you mean like a check() ?
[17:38:31] <deep42thought> but in view from an user?
[17:38:38] <deep42thought> let me rephrase that
[17:38:45] <abaumann> we had once a software which we tested locally in 'make test', then we installed it and run the system tests on the installed software.
[17:38:49] <deep42thought> but from the point of view of an user
[17:38:56] <abaumann> exactly.
[17:39:03] <jonathon> post-install libalpm hook could probably do that?
[17:39:20] <abaumann> isn't that intrusive?
[17:39:34] <abaumann> we once discussed arch-blocks in the very beginning, IIRC?
[17:39:35] <deep42thought> or some dedicated machine which simply goes through every package in [repo], installs it and executes some predefined test for it
[17:39:49] <abaumann> yep, exacltly.
[17:40:08] <abaumann> *abaumann looks around at his park of old machines.. :-)
[17:40:20] <deep42thought> feel free to code something like that and open bugs automatically / mark as tested automatically :-)
[17:40:33] <abaumann> not upstream, I suppose. ;-)
[17:40:44] <deep42thought> no, one of the other 34 users in this channel :-D
[17:40:49] <deep42thought> sry, my time is up: dinner
[17:40:56] <abaumann> ok, cu
[17:41:52] <abaumann> Feb 27 17:41:30 eurobuild6 build-packages[1082035]: Neither PKGBUILD nor modification of PKGBUILD found for package "s2n" from community (community), revisions 0a11ff60eb261863ec66475a16d84ba6c7fd94a2 and 0d71e23175d417f3cda918cf93cf0fe4a3b809d2.
[17:41:57] <abaumann> oh, no, that one..
[17:44:06] <abaumann> ah, renamed to s2n-tls
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[17:56:00] <buildmaster> i686/epiphany is broken (says eurobuild6-2): https://archlinux32.org
[17:59:01] <buildmaster> pentium4/epiphany is broken (says nlopc46): https://archlinux32.org
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[18:56:44] <buildmaster> i486/kvirc is broken (says nlopc46-i486bs1): https://archlinux32.org
[19:32:13] <deep42thought> abaumann: you stopped the buildmaster - is this intended?
[19:32:20] <deep42thought> why not put the reason into the lockfile?
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[19:40:17] <trotz> 2021/02/27 12:08 WARN buildmaster OS updates 3 updates, 0 ignored
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[19:40:19] <phrik> buildmaster: <buildmaster> I might be insane, but never confused ... ;-)
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