#archlinux32 | Logs for 2018-10-16

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[00:20:00] <elibrokeit> deep42thought: https://paste.xinu.at
[00:20:01] <phrik> Title:build-packages.sh (at paste.xinu.at)
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[05:47:22] <buildmaster> Hi deep42thought!
[05:47:22] <buildmaster> !rq deep42thought
[05:47:23] <phrik> buildmaster: <deep42thought> because you're a pessimist with no hope - or you're a realist afraid of change ... pick your evil
[05:47:42] <deep42thought> elibrokeit: stupid me - of course, you need the keyring, it is a dependency of devtools32
[05:48:15] <elibrokeit> I cherry-picked some commits on top of my own working devtools tree
[05:48:36] <elibrokeit> which contains things unlikely to see the light of day, since there's no maintainer to submit it to :/
[05:48:42] <deep42thought> If you find any suspicious commits, let me know
[05:48:59] <deep42thought> I'm not sure, what half of them do - but I had the feeling they helped achieving our goal
[05:49:19] <deep42thought> huh? devtools doesn't have a maintainer?
[05:49:58] <deep42thought> btw: what's the purpose of providing pacman-static xzipped?
[05:50:18] <deep42thought> cannot one simply un-xzip the package archive to get pacman-static?
[05:57:09] <elibrokeit> it's to fool people into downloading the version that saves 2.6MB of server bandwidth, obviously.
[05:57:27] <elibrokeit> alternatively, for all I know, people actually care about that space saving on their end.
[05:57:46] <elibrokeit> also, I'm spinning up an i686 repo for this
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[05:58:20] <deep42thought> oh, thanks!
[06:01:38] <elibrokeit> done, see the updated comment
[06:01:44] <deep42thought> link?
[06:01:53] <elibrokeit> https://aur.archlinux.org
[06:01:54] <phrik> Title:AUR (en) - pacman-static (at aur.archlinux.org)
[06:01:59] <deep42thought> thx
[06:02:34] <deep42thought> it's really nice of you to care about i686 that much :-)
[06:04:21] <elibrokeit> I'm doubting I'll build my other packages for i686 though :p
[06:04:29] <deep42thought> np :-)
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[06:10:32] <elibrokeit> deep42thought: this is my final build script for releasing new versions: https://paste.xinu.at/bLKpmuL5eJ/
[06:10:34] <phrik> Title:build-packages.sh (at paste.xinu.at)
[06:11:04] <elibrokeit> then I just rsync -av artifacts/ soyuz:public_html/repo/ && repo-release.sh the packages :D
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[06:13:06] <deep42thought> elibrokeit: now you spoke off-the record - there is to be kept silence as long as titus_livius is gone ;-)
[06:13:22] <deep42thought> but you script looks nice :-)
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[06:18:16] <elibrokeit> I moved the --packagelist thing to a pipeline instead of < <() and now it runs in POSIX sh :D
[06:20:26] <deep42thought> yay \o/ POSIX
[06:22:30] <elibrokeit> hmm, zstd suddenly moved to core 26 minutes ago so nvchecker reported new static deps for pacman-static
[06:22:47] * elibrokeit duly rebuilds everything to test the script
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[08:12:58] <buildmaster> Hi deep42thought!
[08:12:58] <buildmaster> !rq deep42thought
[08:12:59] <phrik> buildmaster: <deep42thought> nah, I never ran emacs - it's a nice os, but I couldn't find a suitable editor for it
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[12:25:39] <deep42thought> /usr/bin/luajitex has an invalid opcode on i486 :-(
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[14:34:41] <thePiGrepper> deep42thought: hi
[14:34:49] <deep42thought> Hi thePiGrepper
[14:35:55] <thePiGrepper> I just realized something. reagarding autofsckk's issue yesterday, after breaking his system after upgrading pacman..
[14:36:07] <thePiGrepper> that shouldnt have happened right?
[14:36:14] <deep42thought> partial upgrade
[14:36:25] <thePiGrepper> isnt that the point of having dependency by version as well?
[14:36:29] <deep42thought> was my mistake to advise him to do "pacman -S pacman"
[14:36:37] <thePiGrepper> sure, that as well
[14:36:49] <deep42thought> thePiGrepper: yes, but upstream does not support partial upgrades, so we do not either
[14:37:32] <thePiGrepper> I know, but in this case is not unique, it's not like there are no cases where a PKGBUILD has a version requirement for a dependency right?
[14:37:44] <thePiGrepper> that'd have at least stopped it
[14:38:10] <deep42thought> yes, that would have helped
[14:39:47] <thePiGrepper> and taking into account that is not *any* package, is pacman itself.. that's one of the packages that can truly left you stranded with a broken system
[14:40:36] <deep42thought> honestly: I don't understand, when to put versions into the dependencies and when not - according to "do not support partial upgrades" it's never required
[14:42:05] <thePiGrepper> I understand your point, it's very confusing, because they themselves wrote the parser for the PKGBUILD and added the version restriction feature to the syntax
[14:42:25] <thePiGrepper> if you follow that 'no partial update' rule, that'd never be used
[14:52:21] <elibrokeit> deep42thought: nearly never
[14:52:42] <elibrokeit> but we do it in some cases, notably, with gcc/gcc-libs since they're a split package
[14:53:17] <deep42thought> python, perl?
[14:53:18] <elibrokeit> it's trivial to derive the pkgver dep for a split package and it prevents situations which are never ever ever valid to be anything but completely in lockstep
[14:53:27] <deep42thought> yeah
[14:53:29] <elibrokeit> those are solved by versioned libdir paths
[14:53:43] <deep42thought> yes, but pacman does not know about those
[14:53:47] <elibrokeit> we used to use a macro for versioned perl, but it was sort of gross IMO
[14:53:56] <deep42thought> I noticed :-D
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[16:34:35] <buildmaster> i686/meshbird is broken (says rechenknecht).
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[17:27:15] <buildmaster> i686/amtk is broken (says buildknecht2).
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[18:01:06] <buildmaster> i686/rclone is broken (says nlopc46).
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[18:10:06] <buildmaster> i686/go-tools are broken (says nlopc43).
[18:14:39] <buildmaster> i686/solidity is broken (says buildknecht2).
[18:26:27] <buildmaster> i686/gpaste is broken (says buildknecht2).
[18:29:07] <buildmaster> i686/libwnck3 is broken (says nlopc43).
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[18:30:26] <autofsckk> hi, i have a little problem :S jajajaja after a very big update/upgrade yesterday now when i rebooted i cant access my system, got something with a bad kernel, i tried to search with my phone and i think i have to downgrade my kernel
[18:31:05] <autofsckk> i have chrooted with a rescue usb but can somebody help me a bit on how to use another kernel so i can boot?
[18:44:09] <buildmaster> i686/gnome-desktop is broken (says nlopc43).
[18:48:11] <autofsckk> where can i upload a file so i can share my screen ?
[18:49:30] <buildmaster> i686/gpm is broken (says nlopc43).
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[18:50:45] <buildmaster> Hi deep42thought!
[18:50:45] <buildmaster> !rq deep42thought
[18:50:46] <phrik> buildmaster: <deep42thought> because you're a pessimist with no hope - or you're a realist afraid of change ... pick your evil
[18:50:57] <deep42thought> !give autofsckk ptpb
[18:50:58] <phrik> autofsckk: "<command> |& curl -F c=@- https://ptpb.pw" OR "curl -F c=@path/to/a/file https://ptpb.pw"
[18:51:09] <deep42thought> vor command line output
[18:52:53] <autofsckk> deep42thought: well the picture is at my phone
[18:53:11] <deep42thought> hmm, dunno
[18:53:11] <autofsckk> im running here with systemrescuecd chrooted to my not working system jajajaja
[18:53:37] <Ingar> how is your system not working exactly? (why do you suspect it is the kernel?)
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[18:54:37] <autofsckk> Ingar: because y tried to search with my phone something that showed in the screen and in a forum it says something about the kernel not working with my cpu y think, let me upload the image so you can read it
[18:54:54] <Ingar> upload it to imgur or so
[18:55:17] <autofsckk> yes thats what im trying to do
[18:56:27] <autofsckk> http://i65.tinypic.com
[18:57:44] <Ingar> ew.. that sucks :-\
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[18:58:20] <autofsckk> ~yes i know
[18:58:29] <autofsckk> for what i read, i searched for the last part
[18:58:37] <deep42thought> autofsckk: generally, you can try the lts kernel which should avoid such problems a little longer, but it's no permanent solution
[18:59:05] <autofsckk> i dont remember how can i downgrade it
[18:59:09] <autofsckk> im already chrooted
[18:59:19] <autofsckk> and i think i also have the lts installed but not active
[18:59:27] <autofsckk> can you remind me on how to activate it please?
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[19:00:01] <deep42thought> pacman -U /var/cache/pacman/pkg/linux-...
[19:00:08] <deep42thought> for downgrade
[19:00:14] <autofsckk> the thing is that i have to go now :/ ill be back in maybe 2 or 3 hours
[19:00:20] <deep42thought> for activating: depends on your boot-loader, I have no idea :-D
[19:00:28] <deep42thought> I'll be around
[19:00:29] <deep42thought> cu later
[19:00:31] <autofsckk> grub
[19:00:39] <autofsckk> thanks deep42thought
[19:00:49] <autofsckk> ill be back later, thanks for your helpl
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[19:03:27] <buildmaster> i686/diff-so-fancy is broken (says rechenknecht).
[19:19:15] <buildmaster> i686/libretro-core-info is broken (says rechenknecht).
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[20:20:04] <buildmaster> i686/consul is broken (says nlopc46).
[20:42:16] <buildmaster> i686/badtouch is broken (says rechenknecht).
[20:58:38] <buildmaster> i686/freehdl is broken (says buildknecht2).
[21:28:42] <buildmaster> i686/ext4magic is broken (says nlopc46).
[21:38:11] <buildmaster> i686/radamsa is broken (says nlopc46).
[21:39:39] <buildmaster> i686/ncftp is broken (says buildknecht2).
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[22:22:28] <buildmaster> i686/google-glog is broken (says buildknecht2).
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[22:38:19] <buildmaster> Hi tyzoid!
[22:38:19] <buildmaster> !rq tyzoid
[22:38:19] <phrik> buildmaster: <tyzoid> sangy: I wonder if anyone has init=/usr/bin/emacs before
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[22:39:06] <buildmaster> Hi girls!
[22:39:06] <buildmaster> !rq girls
[22:39:07] <phrik> buildmaster: <girls> I'm married, I don't cook
[23:01:47] <buildmaster> i686/tcplay is broken (says rechenknecht).
[23:04:59] <buildmaster> i686/ppp is broken (says buildknecht).
[23:08:46] <buildmaster> i686/libnl is broken (says rechenknecht).
[23:09:58] <buildmaster> i686/parted is broken (says buildknecht2).
[23:10:47] <buildmaster> i686/calcurse is broken (says rechenknecht).
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[23:44:29] <buildmaster> i686/udftools are broken (says buildknecht2).
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[23:51:18] <autofsckk> hello
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[23:54:39] <autofsckk> i have problems with a kernel after a big big update
[23:54:51] <autofsckk> i was able to boot now with the fallback kernel
[23:55:19] <autofsckk> but now please help, what should i do? always boot with that fallback? or should i just try prior kernels?