#archlinux32 | Logs for 2019-05-04

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[00:21:31] <T`aZ> hmm, i might switch to p4 architecture! thanks again guys for your work !
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[00:30:06] <buildmaster> pentium4/grafx2 is broken (says nlopc43).
[00:31:52] <buildmaster> pentium4/marsyas are broken (says rechenknecht).
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[00:35:16] <slacka123> Looks like GNOME shell is going to have to be updated
[00:35:51] <slacka123> gnome-control-center: error while loading shared libraries: libicuuc.so.63: cannot open shared object file:
[00:35:57] <slacka123> no GNOME settings
[00:36:54] <slacka123> SO if I get this right systemd forced icu update which now forces a gnome update
[00:59:16] <buildmaster> pentium4/subversion is broken (says nlopc43).
[01:00:02] <buildmaster> pentium4/asymptote is broken (says eurobuild3).
[01:19:07] <buildmaster> pentium4/dep is broken (says rechenknecht).
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[01:26:12] <buildmaster> pentium4/pony-stable is broken (says eurobuild3).
[01:33:09] <buildmaster> pentium4/fasm is broken (says eurobuild3).
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[01:59:22] <buildmaster> pentium4/openal is broken (says eurobuild3).
[01:59:23] <buildmaster> pentium4/ginac is broken (says nlopc43).
[02:12:56] <buildmaster> pentium4/fingerterm is broken (says eurobuild3).
[02:24:51] <buildmaster> pentium4/influxdb is broken (says rechenknecht).
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[02:30:55] <buildmaster> pentium4/clipgrab is broken (says rechenknecht).
[02:32:28] <buildmaster> pentium4/kresus are broken (says eurobuild3).
[02:35:36] <buildmaster> pentium4/consul is broken (says nlopc43).
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[02:41:42] <buildmaster> pentium4/gifski is broken (says rechenknecht).
[02:46:32] <buildmaster> pentium4/go-tools are broken (says nlopc43).
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[03:07:12] <buildmaster> pentium4/embree is broken (says nlopc43).
[03:08:22] <buildmaster> pentium4/merlin is broken (says nlopc43).
[03:14:50] <buildmaster> pentium4/exa is broken (says nlopc43).
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[04:17:57] <buildmaster> pentium4/curaengine is broken (says eurobuild3).
[04:22:37] <buildmaster> pentium4/bash-language-server is broken (says eurobuild3).
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[04:44:10] <buildmaster> pentium4/ghc is broken (says rechenknecht).
[05:06:08] <buildmaster> pentium4/vtk is broken (says nlopc43).
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[05:17:18] <buildmaster> pentium4/dub is broken (says rechenknecht).
[05:23:00] <buildmaster> pentium4/facter is broken (says rechenknecht).
[05:24:03] <buildmaster> pentium4/percona-server is broken (says nlopc43).
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[06:10:39] <buildmaster> pentium4/tinyemu is broken (says nlopc43).
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[07:54:20] <buildmaster> pentium4/flickcurl is broken (says eurobuild3).
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[08:07:38] <buildmaster> Hi deep42thought!
[08:07:39] <buildmaster> !rq deep42thought
[08:07:39] <phrik> buildmaster: <deep42thought> I like ignoring systemd, but: why?
[08:08:10] <deep42thought> slacka123: gnome needs to be built first - but as you can see, there are /some/ build errors on p4, currently ;-)
[08:09:19] <slacka123> deep42thought: i686 is Gnome settings is broken too
[08:09:31] <deep42thought> :-/
[08:09:39] <slacka123> same error
[08:09:53] <deep42thought> at least, we're consistent ;-)
[08:09:58] <slacka123> ha
[08:10:16] <slacka123> how does upstream avoid these issues?
[08:11:11] <buildmaster> i686/graphite is broken (says nlopc43).
[08:12:18] <deep42thought> more people, more hands, more brains
[08:13:24] <deep42thought> we wrote some automater for that, but that isn't perfect, as it sometimes moves too much (deps in the db were wrong, or a bug in my code) and sometimes too few - so we move manually and break other stuff in the meantime ...
[08:13:58] <slacka123> yeah, unless I missed something icu isn't even a dependence, yet the wrong version breaks a core component of GNOME
[08:14:24] <deep42thought> we record more dependencies in the database than upstream
[08:14:36] <deep42thought> each built package is checked for all linked libraries and symbols
[08:15:01] <slacka123> so upsteam just has lots of people in testing?
[08:15:16] <deep42thought> each package has a maintainer
[08:15:23] <slacka123> ahh
[08:15:26] <deep42thought> here, we have 10k packages and basically 2 or 3 maintainers
[08:16:22] <deep42thought> btw: you're right, gnome-settings does not depend (not even in the db) on icu: https://www.archlinux32.org
[08:16:23] <phrik> Title: Arch Linux 32 - gnome-settings-daemon 3.30.2-1.0 (pentium4) (at www.archlinux32.org)
[08:16:32] <deep42thought> afk, breakfast
[08:19:24] <slacka123> well for the past month I've been using it as my daily driver and no issues...so don't feel bad. No settings for a few days isn't gonna kill anyone
[08:22:03] <slacka123> with all the recent fixes, you're nearly caught up to upstream/ With gnome 3.32 things should stabilize again
[08:23:22] <buildmaster> pentium4/glib2 is broken (says nlopc43).
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[08:30:12] <buildmaster> Hi abaumann!
[08:30:12] <buildmaster> !rq abaumann
[08:30:13] <phrik> buildmaster: <abaumann> again. I'm in favour of a database which is not dropping its pants..
[08:30:19] <abaumann> mmh, eurobuild3 is fine and building.
[08:31:29] <buildmaster> pentium4/js60 is broken (says rechenknecht).
[08:42:25] <buildmaster> i686/glib2 is broken (says nlopc43).
[08:46:34] <abaumann> yai, glib2 again.
[09:16:32] <buildmaster> pentium4/v4l-utils are broken (says nlopc43).
[09:19:35] <deep42thought> glib2 fails in package_...() O.o
[09:25:27] <abaumann> /build/glib2/pkg/glib2/usr/lib/installed-tests': No such file or directory
[09:25:31] <abaumann> not dramatic. :-)
[09:25:34] <abaumann> hi >deep42thought
[09:28:16] <deep42thought> Hi abaumann
[09:28:23] <abaumann> I'm fixing it.
[09:28:31] <deep42thought> thanks :-)
[09:29:08] <deep42thought> I'm somewhat busy with offline saturday-morning-tasks
[09:29:16] <abaumann> of course :-)
[09:29:28] <abaumann> real-trouble-first ;-)
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[10:59:35] <buildmaster> i686/perl-dbd-mysql is broken (says eurobuild3).
[11:11:03] <buildmaster> pentium4/gnu-apl is broken (says nlopc43).
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[12:30:19] <buildmaster> pentium4/connman is broken (says rechenknecht).
[12:57:43] <buildmaster> pentium4/libbluray is broken (says rechenknecht).
[13:00:01] <buildmaster> pentium4/teamspeak3-server is broken (says rechenknecht).
[13:09:29] <buildmaster> pentium4/syslinux is broken (says eurobuild3).
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[13:24:47] <buildmaster> pentium4/libsigrok is broken (says nlopc43).
[13:25:38] <buildmaster> pentium4/libffado is broken (says rechenknecht).
[13:30:20] <buildmaster> pentium4/apm is broken (says eurobuild3).
[13:55:56] <buildmaster> pentium4/dtools are broken (says nlopc43).
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[14:00:13] <buildmaster> pentium4/dscanner is broken (says rechenknecht).
[14:01:24] <buildmaster> pentium4/dcd is broken (says nlopc43).
[14:16:48] <buildmaster> pentium4/vibe-d is broken (says nlopc43).
[14:17:44] <buildmaster> pentium4/dmd is broken (says eurobuild3).
[14:19:48] <buildmaster> pentium4/vault is broken (says rechenknecht).
[14:39:24] <buildmaster> pentium4/apache is broken (says nlopc43).
[14:40:52] <buildmaster> pentium4/libretro-blastem is broken (says nlopc43).
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[15:22:29] <buildmaster> pentium4/giada is broken (says rechenknecht).
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[15:25:51] <buildmaster> pentium4/csound is broken (says nlopc43).
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[17:16:22] <buildmaster> Hi abaumann!
[17:16:22] <buildmaster> !rq abaumann
[17:16:22] <phrik> buildmaster: <abaumann> again. I'm in favour of a database which is not dropping its pants..
[17:16:26] <abaumann> wget -q --timeout=15 -nd https://mirrors.xjtu.edu.cn
[17:16:43] <abaumann> in namcap end game on the slaves. though there is a timeout specified, wget just hangs.
[17:17:09] <abaumann> nlopc46-i486bs0 with i486/file could have the same problem.. file is not that big a package. :-)
[17:17:31] <abaumann> kill of the blocked wget seems to let the build continue..
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[18:04:30] <buildmaster> pentium4/cgal is broken (says rechenknecht).
[18:09:55] <buildmaster> pentium4/wine-nine is broken (says rechenknecht).
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[18:25:50] <deep42thought> there is no wget running on nlopc46-i486bs0
[18:32:28] <deep42thought> ... it was a curl :-)
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[19:14:38] <buildmaster> pentium4/cmake is broken (says rechenknecht).
[19:17:00] <buildmaster> pentium4/imagemagick6 is broken (says rechenknecht).
[19:41:12] <buildmaster> pentium4/teamspeak3 is broken (says rechenknecht).
[19:45:31] <buildmaster> pentium4/intel-graphics-compiler is broken (says rechenknecht).
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[20:17:44] <buildmaster> Hi abaumann!
[20:17:44] <buildmaster> !rq abaumann
[20:17:44] <phrik> buildmaster: <abaumann> not to have http://archlinux32.microsoft.com suddendly in the list of mirrors. ;-)
[20:18:02] <abaumann> mmh. things around Qt are a colossal mess :-(
[20:18:23] <slacka123> abaumann: Guess you haven't heard about GNOME either?
[20:19:05] <abaumann> well. the problem is more or less like this: too few hands, too few testing..
[20:19:18] <abaumann> ..then things get stuck (I mean 1000nds of packages in testing).
[20:19:25] <abaumann> then we push. and things break. :-)
[20:19:37] <abaumann> and there are far too few build slaves, I get the feeling
[20:19:42] <abaumann> or they are too slow.
[20:19:43] <slacka123> Can you just have a big push forward to catchup to a stable snapshot of upstream?
[20:19:52] <slacka123> I'll do my best to test
[20:20:17] <abaumann> no, there is a reason why packages fall behind in i686: they have 32-bit specific bugs, which must first be fixed.
[20:20:37] <abaumann> we had some 100nds of non-working packages. And then things start to pile up.
[20:21:04] <abaumann> the 'no' was referring to "Can you just have a big push forward to catchup to a stable snapshot of upstream?"
[20:21:14] <abaumann> not to you testing. :-)
[20:21:18] <abaumann> that's much appreciated.
[20:21:19] <slacka123> yeah, I got that:)
[20:21:26] <abaumann> just to make sure :-)
[20:22:02] <slacka123> shouldn't pentium4 be less broken/need less patches? as a few other distros are still on it
[20:22:05] <deep42thought> abaumann: you think we have too few build slaves?
[20:22:34] <abaumann> not necessarily: -march=pentium4 sometimes trigger strange untested branches of software.
[20:22:40] <abaumann> deep42thought: dunno.
[20:23:02] <abaumann> I just got the feeling: I can priorize and seed and the slaves continue stubbornly to build unnecessary packages..
[20:23:14] <abaumann> ..or hang on chinese servers in wget/curl :-)
[20:23:18] <abaumann> hi deep42thought.
[20:23:23] <deep42thought> hi abaumann!
[20:23:26] <slacka123> before the fork was upsteam Arch i686 = Arch 32 i686 or pentium4?
[20:23:40] <deep42thought> you should use -d the most time with prioritize-build-list
[20:23:54] <abaumann> i686, IIRC
[20:24:04] <abaumann> or just gcc default. Which was no SSE2 at this time.
[20:25:11] <abaumann> -d, I hope, I don't trigger too much.. :-)
[20:26:17] <deep42thought> nah, -d never triggers too much
[20:26:38] <abaumann> yep. too late.
[20:27:18] <abaumann> another thing. slaves spend a lot of time fiddling with the upstream huge git repos.
[20:27:36] <deep42thought> we should clean them from time to time
[20:27:40] <abaumann> I have to recreate some repos, git gc takes longer than checkout.
[20:27:45] <deep42thought> yes
[20:27:52] <deep42thought> I have seen this before
[20:27:57] <deep42thought> and I cannot really explain it
[20:28:10] <deep42thought> because we're just fetching/pulling and not rebasing and anything ...
[20:30:46] <deep42thought> I have usually just cloned the _local_ archive, changed the remote and then replaced the original local archive by the cloned one
[20:32:27] <abaumann> really weird behaviour. a complete checkout of community takes less time than a 'git pull'
[20:33:06] <deep42thought> yes, somehow the repository gets polluted with whatever
[20:33:54] <deep42thought> I'll update clean-git to automate the recloning ...
[20:34:37] <abaumann> that's an idea.
[20:39:18] <slacka123> git gc --aggressive should help a lot
[20:39:32] <slacka123> or just git gc if you don't want to wast a lot of time/cpu
[20:39:44] <deep42thought> slacka123: that's the problem
[20:39:53] <deep42thought> "git gc" runs longer than "git clone $remote"
[20:40:01] <slacka123> gotcha
[20:40:34] <abaumann> actually. they build slaves could receive just one directory from the master, there is no need to keep a whole repository there
[20:40:37] <abaumann> *the
[20:40:51] <deep42thought> that would increase load on the master
[20:41:07] <abaumann> doesn't it have to do git pulls anyway?
[20:41:18] <deep42thought> but no uplink
[20:41:23] <deep42thought> and not for each build slave
[20:41:24] <abaumann> mmh.
[20:41:38] <deep42thought> this might be unimportant with your buildmaster
[20:41:50] <deep42thought> but rewbycraft's buildmaster had a really slow uplink sometimes
[20:41:54] <abaumann> yeah. there the repos are on SSD.
[20:42:01] <abaumann> and the network is snappy.
[20:42:02] <deep42thought> I even circumvented reuploading the built packages from the buildmaster
[20:42:07] <abaumann> oh.
[20:49:50] <abaumann> https://build.voidlinux.org
[20:49:51] <phrik> Title: BuildSlaves (at build.voidlinux.org)
[20:50:25] <deep42thought> ok, bin/clean-git should now do the magic (if there is only one remote set - I have build slaves where multiple remotes are configured - these cannot be easily re-cloned, of course)
[20:50:44] <abaumann> ok.
[20:51:19] <deep42thought> they have one build slave per architecture?
[20:51:32] <abaumann> looks like
[20:51:48] <deep42thought> or does the "build slave" manage multiple nodes?
[20:51:51] <abaumann> I just wanted to check, whether I'm right with my statement about build slaves.
[20:52:15] <abaumann> I don't know builbot too well..
[20:53:28] <abaumann> looks like on slave per architecture.
[20:53:51] <abaumann> but they may have distcc/ccache in the background
[20:54:00] <abaumann> especially for ARM and friends
[20:54:14] <deep42thought> yeah, that makes sense
[20:54:20] <deep42thought> I think alarm uses distcc, too
[20:54:27] <abaumann> https://build.voidlinux.org
[20:54:28] <phrik> Title: BuildBot: Void Linux (at build.voidlinux.org)
[20:55:40] <abaumann> In such a situation you would actually like that there is some sort of auto-balancing, so that package versions are more or less in sync across architectures.
[20:56:07] <deep42thought> you can do that iff the build slaves can build for multiple architectures
[20:56:20] <deep42thought> like our pentium4 slaves that can build for i686, too
[20:56:47] <abaumann> I did an experiment once with slurm, there you can define properties per build slave and the job scheduler picks only from the proper group
[20:57:09] <abaumann> https://slurm.schedmd.com
[20:57:10] <phrik> Title: Slurm Workload Manager - Documentation (at slurm.schedmd.com)
[20:58:32] <abaumann> though slurm works best when units are big machines with a lot of cores. :-)
[21:01:59] <deep42thought> it would be nice to see, what step of building a package takes how much time, so we can identify and eliminate any bottlenecks there
[21:02:41] <abaumann> yeah. but the archbuild scripts are a little bit monolitic
[21:02:51] <abaumann> they can write a log of sorts maybe
[21:03:05] <deep42thought> I think, counting "archbuild" as one step is ok
[21:03:10] <deep42thought> the other parts worry me more
[21:03:17] <deep42thought> like "checking out the source"
[21:03:28] <abaumann> ah. overhead due to the build system, basically.
[21:03:29] <deep42thought> get-assignment, return-assignment, namcap, ...
[21:03:34] <deep42thought> yes
[21:03:38] <abaumann> yeah. the package takes as long as it takes.
[21:03:47] <deep42thought> I mean: there is not much we can do about slow archbuild scripts
[21:03:52] <deep42thought> exactly
[21:04:18] <abaumann> I though, some things could get visible with the munin graphs, but..
[21:04:34] <abaumann> ..all I can see, is that scripts get called regularly.
[21:04:57] <abaumann> big platead things are visible and phases of silence. But not much more..
[21:05:18] <deep42thought> the peaks of the duration graphs is interesting
[21:05:21] <abaumann> this is the buildmaster side at least.
[21:05:36] <deep42thought> the slaves could send detailed info about the build on successful builds
[21:05:48] <deep42thought> I had plans to include cpu/ram usage
[21:05:51] <abaumann> additionally to build logs.
[21:05:54] <abaumann> yep.
[21:05:56] <deep42thought> so big builds could avoid small slaves
[21:06:11] <deep42thought> but actually _acquiring_ those stats was beyond me
[21:06:23] <abaumann> yeah. this is not so simple.
[21:06:43] <deep42thought> timing different steps of bin/build-packages is trivial, however
[21:06:50] <abaumann> especially, some slaves are either virtual on servers (tyzoid-wm) or do other stuff in parallel (like eurobuild3)
[21:07:47] <abaumann> in my slurm experiment I did some image conversion and tesseracting (OCR) on a bunch of machines, ranking from ARMv4 to 64-bit Intel machines, exactly to see, if the load balancing is doing it's job.
[21:07:53] <deep42thought> yes, that, too - so one would have to measure per-process stats :-/
[21:08:12] <deep42thought> how did it go?
[21:08:28] <abaumann> the network was always too slow.. closely followed by disks being too slow.
[21:08:56] <abaumann> especially Raspberry PIs over NFS or NBD where hitting their servers (I/O-wise) too heavily
[21:09:13] <abaumann> so, short, computing time was not the problem.
[21:09:41] <abaumann> the tasks had to be VERY CPUintesive, so that the nodes got saturated.
[21:10:07] <abaumann> Luckilly tesseract and imagemagick are quite slow and heavy on the CPU :-)
[21:10:32] <abaumann> fun experiment: convert some years of magazines in some hours or so to readable text.
[21:18:25] <abaumann> mmh. since updates I have a funny behaviour on my test slaves, they just hang after a while in ssh..
[21:18:55] <abaumann> sometimes I get the feeling that the only thing developing fast on Linux is the number of new bugs.
[21:19:08] <deep42thought> !grab abaumann
[21:19:09] <phrik> deep42thought: Tada!
[21:25:15] <buildmaster> pentium4/qt5-gsettings are broken (says rechenknecht).
[21:33:07] <deep42thought> good night!
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[21:33:28] <abaumann> cu
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[21:58:23] <buildmaster> pentium4/qt5-tools are broken (says eurobuild3).
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[23:47:49] <buildmaster> i686/qt5-gsettings are broken (says nlopc43).