#archlinux32 | Logs for 2019-05-19

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[01:07:52] <buildmaster> pentium4/shellcheck is broken (says eurobuild3).
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[02:09:39] <buildmaster> pentium4/virtualbox-modules-arch is broken (says rechenknecht).
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[03:44:05] <buildmaster> i686/stratisd is broken (says eurobuild3).
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[03:53:22] <buildmaster> i686/linux is broken (says rechenknecht).
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[04:34:41] <buildmaster> i686/haskell-config-ini is broken (says eurobuild3).
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[04:48:58] <buildmaster> i686/haskell-hledger-lib is broken (says eurobuild3).
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[06:33:26] <buildmaster> i686/haskell-binary-tagged is broken (says eurobuild3).
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[07:46:49] <buildmaster> i686/haskell-parsers are broken (says rechenknecht).
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[07:57:21] <buildmaster> i686/haskell-data-textual is broken (says eurobuild3).
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[08:54:53] <buildmaster> i686/cbindgen is broken (says rechenknecht).
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[15:38:25] <slacka123> On a machine that automatically upgraded to pentium4, I'm now getting these errors: https://pastebin.com
[15:38:26] <phrik> Title: pacman -Syu : on machine set to auto - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
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[15:44:23] <buildmaster> pentium4/racket is broken (says rechenknecht).
[15:59:36] <buildmaster> pentium4/qt5-declarative is broken (says rechenknecht).
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[17:21:46] <buildmaster> pentium4/shellcheck is broken (says rechenknecht).
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[18:51:58] <buildmaster> Hi abaumann!
[18:51:58] <buildmaster> !rq abaumann
[18:51:59] <phrik> buildmaster: <abaumann> I remember the old saying in archlinux: "core" is for the things we need to boot the system and build the system. So meson is now part of core?
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[18:52:06] <buildmaster> Hi deep42thought!
[18:52:06] <buildmaster> !rq deep42thought
[18:52:07] <phrik> buildmaster: <deep42thought> because you're a pessimist with no hope - or you're a realist afraid of change ... pick your evil
[18:52:14] <deep42thought> Hi abaumann!
[18:52:16] <abaumann> hi deep42thought
[18:52:32] <deep42thought> the replication slave thing seems to be a stunnel issue
[18:52:38] <abaumann> oh.
[18:53:16] <deep42thought> I still need to find out which, though ;-)
[18:56:47] <buildmaster> i686/qt5-declarative is broken (says rechenknecht).
[19:14:24] <thePiGrepper> libreoffice seems to be still needing icu63 on i686..
[19:21:00] <abaumann> thePiGrepper: yep.
[19:21:39] <abaumann> https://bugs.archlinux32.org
[19:21:41] <phrik> Title: FS#75 : openjdk8 breaks with march=pentium4 optimization (at bugs.archlinux32.org)
[19:21:44] <abaumann> That's how far I got.
[19:21:51] <abaumann> Did you try to build libreoffice?
[19:22:13] <abaumann> I suspect, it builds fine with either openjdk 11 or when not using the 32-bit chroot on a 64-bit kernel.
[19:22:26] <abaumann> file INSTALL cannot find
[19:22:26] <abaumann> "/build/webkit2gtk/src/build/Documentation/webkit2gtk-4.0/html/webkit2gtk-4.0/style.css".
[19:22:29] <abaumann> Call Stack (most recent call first):
[19:22:33] <abaumann> stupid idiodic Gnome projects.
[19:22:44] <abaumann> Can't they test anything they push out to the public!
[19:23:02] <abaumann> I get a failure after 4 hours of webkit2gtk stupidity
[19:25:58] <thePiGrepper> abaumann: right, I saw this yesterday I think. however, this is happening to me with i686...
[19:26:37] <abaumann> what I don't get is: javac segfaults only in a chroot, not on a real or a virtual machine.
[19:26:48] <thePiGrepper> abaumann: well, the stupid idiotic Gnome projects are probably testing only for x64 lately I assume
[19:26:59] <abaumann> openjdk8 that is. this makes me really nervous.
[19:27:28] <abaumann> Installing CSS files and precompiling serialized objects (.gir) and broken Makefiles with cmake doesn't sound like a portability issue to me..
[19:27:36] <abaumann> ..especially if they happen also on 64-bit. :-)
[19:27:37] <thePiGrepper> it's funny that I had to jump arches just to keep using surf browser lol.
[19:27:50] <abaumann> yeah. I can imagine.
[19:28:55] <thePiGrepper> I remember talking with you about it last week I believe, regarding webkit2gtk.. what happened? is it an upstream issue, and can it be reverted if so?
[19:29:21] <abaumann> yeah. revertig is not so easy, as we cannot unpublish things from stable.
[19:29:31] <abaumann> so the only other option is actually to fix it.
[19:29:40] <abaumann> I got most SSE2 stuff sorted out.
[19:29:47] <thePiGrepper> sure, I meant revert it in upstream actually
[19:29:53] <abaumann> now I just remain with broken build systems.
[19:29:55] <thePiGrepper> talk to those guys and maybe sort this out
[19:30:15] <abaumann> I actually think it boils down to a problem with cmake/make
[19:30:24] <abaumann> if using cmake/ninja rumours are things run better.
[19:30:26] <thePiGrepper> an alternative to webkit2gtk would be nice right now..
[19:30:41] <abaumann> but as Archlinux64 decides to use non-ninja (and usually they have a very good reason, why)
[19:31:02] <thePiGrepper> how can surf be called suckless and bloatless when it depends on webkit2gtk, that one I wanna know, lol
[19:31:05] <abaumann> An alternative to ever evolving and broken open-source software would be nice. yeah..
[19:31:14] <abaumann> ..oh wait. that's called commercial systems..
[19:31:18] <abaumann> ..whcih also break.. :-)
[19:31:36] <thePiGrepper> lol
[19:31:54] <abaumann> yeah. palemoon might be a real alternative.
[19:32:03] <abaumann> it forked before Mozilla went all rusty.
[19:32:04] <thePiGrepper> can you grab yourself? or would that look bad? lol
[19:32:24] <abaumann> I doubt I can do that. :-)
[19:32:54] <thePiGrepper> are there alternatives to webkit?
[19:33:05] <abaumann> gecko.
[19:33:10] <abaumann> so firefox. :-)
[19:33:16] <abaumann> https://www.archlinux.org
[19:33:16] <thePiGrepper> gecko is heavy as f*ck
[19:33:16] <phrik> Title: Arch Linux - webkit2gtk 2.24.1-1 (x86_64) (at www.archlinux.org)
[19:33:24] <abaumann> is marked as out-of-date.
[19:33:37] <abaumann> so it's not worth reporting issues, as they are likely fixed..
[19:33:48] <abaumann> ..which means. I should check the bug reports up-upstream
[19:33:58] <thePiGrepper> I actually built it a month or two ago thinking that it would be a good alternative for low spec system
[19:34:29] <thePiGrepper> oh, you said gecko
[19:34:30] <thePiGrepper> sorry
[19:34:32] <abaumann> yeah. but let's face the fact: Google and friends are inventing new "features" for the web, which will then be missing in those kind of browsers.
[19:34:40] <thePiGrepper> I read servo for some reason.. lol
[19:34:43] <abaumann> ah.
[19:34:44] <thePiGrepper> thinking rusty
[19:35:33] <abaumann> only good Intel now also starts to implement their stuff in rust (at least I heard som rumours)
[19:35:54] <abaumann> again. don't get me wrong: I think rust is a very nice language, just the exosystem with cargo and bootstrapping is crap.
[19:35:55] <thePiGrepper> yeah, maybe so, but still I want some 'web kit' that I can just build an UX around it, and that does only the thing that it must do
[19:36:01] <abaumann> *ecosystem
[19:36:29] <thePiGrepper> indeed, cargo bootstrapping is stupid
[19:36:34] <abaumann> Javascript, CSS, HTML5, etc. are all quite heavy, so that accounts for a heavy library.
[19:37:12] <abaumann> that's the reason why firefox rebuilds are stuck: I'm unable to inject a patch for one of those thousands of self-compiled packages in stage 2 of x.py (even the name).
[19:37:15] <thePiGrepper> and the worse part is that all that was designed that way from the start..
[19:37:25] <abaumann> so I cannot rebuild rust with rust currently on i686.
[19:37:49] <thePiGrepper> yeah, Ive been following the exodus...
[19:37:52] <abaumann> ..the bad part is, that everybody things, it's a good idea. And the developers of rust stick to this bad design.
[19:38:00] <abaumann> *thinks
[19:38:05] <thePiGrepper> that's the reason we use the mozilla builds right?
[19:38:16] <abaumann> we do?
[19:38:23] <thePiGrepper> I dont know, do we?
[19:38:30] <thePiGrepper> if not ,whats the issue?
[19:38:45] <abaumann> you mean: the binary builds from Mozilla?
[19:38:51] <abaumann> No, we build always from source.
[19:39:07] <thePiGrepper> ok, then what was the issue? wasnt it that it didnt build firefox
[19:39:35] <abaumann> firefox builds on pentium4, just not on i686 (because of some SSE2-SIMD optimizations).
[19:39:43] <thePiGrepper> right, that I meant
[19:39:50] <abaumann> When I rebuild, I saw, that the root cause was a too old rust version on i686.
[19:40:19] <abaumann> This one got stuck primarily in a LLVM7/LLVM8 issue, but now it's caught downloading a broken submodule during bootstrapping.
[19:40:21] <thePiGrepper> I thought we had that issue and with some fix coming from void packages we could sort that out
[19:40:28] <thePiGrepper> or am I missing something?
[19:40:46] <abaumann> mmh. don't remember.
[19:41:33] <thePiGrepper> '..the bad part is, that everybody things, it's a good idea.' the question would be why do they think this?
[19:41:51] <abaumann> lack of experience and education..
[19:41:53] <abaumann> ..sorry.
[19:42:23] <thePiGrepper> '..sorry' lol, why are _you_ sorry? they should be
[19:42:42] <abaumann> I'm sorry, because it doesn't help if a few people say it..
[19:42:53] <thePiGrepper> indeed..
[19:43:00] <abaumann> It's like the idea of installing packages with 'curl http:/blablabla' | bash
[19:43:13] <abaumann> any developer doing that, I would fire on the spot.
[19:43:18] <thePiGrepper> hahha. how many are still like that?!
[19:43:39] <abaumann> more coming: brew, rust
[19:43:46] <abaumann> https://0x46.net
[19:43:47] <phrik> Title: Piping curl to s(hell) (at 0x46.net)
[19:44:04] <abaumann> docker. of course.
[19:45:14] <abaumann> I want to name a Youtube here, who is also ranting about the state of the Linux nation (hope he has nothing against it): https://rene.rebe.de
[19:45:15] <phrik> Title: René Rebe (at rene.rebe.de)
[19:45:49] <abaumann> I felt really at home with his opinions.. :-)
[19:46:18] <abaumann> naeh: rust takes in the wrong version of 'typenum' during stage 2 (https://bugs.archlinux32.org/index.php?do=details&task_id=71&pagenum=1)
[19:46:20] <phrik> Title: FS#71 : rust doesn't rebuild (at bugs.archlinux32.org)
[19:46:26] <abaumann> that's nothing I have ever seen before..
[19:47:37] <thePiGrepper> I've watched that video! yeah, its exactly what he says
[19:49:12] <thePiGrepper> well, as long as there are still people writing code to reduce the amount of JS, electron-based apps, python-based whatever, solving cargo mess, etc at infinitum, there's still a ray of hope.. probably
[19:50:27] <abaumann> till they run away and start their own operating system.. :-)
[19:59:44] <thePiGrepper> and some ppl will go there porting python to it and it will start again..
[19:59:53] <deep42thought> :-)
[20:01:24] <abaumann> the old joke was: "sooner or later every software can send emails". Nowadays the same joke works with Pyhton. :-)
[20:02:13] <deep42thought> "everyone can program in visual basic - do you really want them to?"
[20:02:25] <abaumann> :-)
[20:02:37] <abaumann> this is called "inclusive programming".
[20:02:43] <deep42thought> :-)
[20:06:14] <thePiGrepper> well, when I get pip out of my system again, Ill be x10 happier
[20:07:38] <thePiGrepper> Im literally using my free time to build C-based replacements for python tools I need to use for work..
[20:08:19] <thePiGrepper> the only worse thing that having to download python-pip, is having to download python-pip for only 1 program
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[21:23:18] <buildmaster> pentium4/switchboard-plug-online-accounts are broken (says eurobuild3).
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[22:23:26] <buildmaster> i686/haskell-socks are broken (says rechenknecht).
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