#archlinux32 | Logs for 2021-05-07

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[00:05:01] <buildmaster> i486/broadcom-wl is broken (says nlopc46-i486bs0): https://archlinux32.org
[00:33:50] <buildmaster> i486/tailscale is broken (says nlopc46-i486bs0): https://archlinux32.org
[01:04:05] <buildmaster> i486/rust is broken (says nlopc46-i486bs0): https://archlinux32.org
[01:54:45] <buildmaster> i686/thunderbird is broken (says nlopc46): https://archlinux32.org
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[08:11:51] <buildmaster> !rq buildmaster
[08:11:52] <phrik> buildmaster: <buildmaster> I might be insane, but never confused ... ;-)
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[08:11:54] <trotz> 2021/04/23 18:58 WARN buildmaster Running kernel running 5.11.15, installed 5.12.1
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[08:36:03] <buildmaster> Hi abaumann!
[08:36:03] <buildmaster> !rq abaumann
[08:36:04] <phrik> buildmaster: <abaumann> I guess it's the usual bug: transactions are not transactions on mysql
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[08:58:38] <buildmaster> Hi deep42thought!
[08:58:38] <buildmaster> !rq deep42thought
[08:58:39] <phrik> buildmaster: <deep42thought> windows suggests swap on external usb sticks :-)
[08:58:41] <deep42thought> Hi abaumann!
[08:58:49] <deep42thought> I think, I fixed linux-pae :-)
[09:03:22] <abaumann> hi deep42thought
[09:03:34] <abaumann> the gdal issue was a miscompiled numpy :-)
[09:03:56] <deep42thought> any idea, *why* it was miscompiled?
[09:04:05] <deep42thought> or should we just move on?
[09:04:20] <abaumann> stack misalignments, SSE math on the stack, I assume.
[09:04:32] <abaumann> no, it should work now, I'm just force building gdal on i486.
[09:04:37] <abaumann> it built fine on pentium4 and i686.
[09:04:51] <abaumann> whether it runs, well, we'll see. :-)
[09:05:09] <abaumann> python setup.py build --cpu-baseline=NONE --cpu-dispatch=NONE
[09:05:12] <abaumann> python setup.py build --cpu-baseline=NONE --cpu-dispatch=SSE,SSE2
[09:05:25] <abaumann> dito in gdal: .configure --with-sse=no --with-ssse3=no --with-avx=no
[09:05:36] <abaumann> ./configure --with-sse=yes --with-ssse3=no --with-avx=no
[09:06:03] <abaumann> what makes it more problematic lately: people don't distinguish between SSE,SSE2,SSE3,SSSE3
[09:06:17] <abaumann> mostly it's "the old SSE thing, now we use AVX"
[09:06:41] <abaumann> but at least there are cconfiguration flags and you don't have to go patching the build system or worse the code..
[09:07:11] <abaumann> I have to test much more on real hardware, there are more differences to qemu as I would like..
[09:09:55] <abaumann> now it happens: I'll make a newsboat-og..
[09:10:00] <abaumann> .. similar to librsvg-og
[09:10:36] <abaumann> If people want to write an RSS feeder in Rust, fine, make your own project, but don't take an abandoned project and "maintain" it in another language..
[09:19:45] <deep42thought> newsboat is now in rust???
[09:19:58] <abaumann> for a while now..
[09:20:08] <abaumann> only parts of it.
[09:21:32] <deep42thought> hmm, indeed
[09:21:39] <abaumann> 2.14 - 2018-12-29 Dependency on Rust 1.25+. The compiler (`rustc`) and the build tool (`cargo`) are required
[09:23:22] <deep42thought> what's so nice about rust, that so many projects are switching to it?
[09:23:51] <abaumann> it's promised land, no more C or C++
[09:24:02] <abaumann> why they never did that with for instance Java?
[09:24:06] <T`aZ> hype, much much hype
[09:24:34] <deep42thought> ok, I see
[09:24:46] <T`aZ> java was doomed from the start, rust has better promises
[09:24:58] <deep42thought> we need a brainfuck compiler, then I'll start some projects in brainfuck
[09:25:08] <T`aZ> that already exist i bet :p
[09:25:12] <abaumann> JIT compiling would actually be really nice.
[09:25:14] <deep42thought> sure, it does
[09:25:28] <abaumann> To give Rust credit: the generated code is as fast as let's say C++ code
[09:25:38] <abaumann> I simply don't like the cargo-ecosystem
[09:25:47] <abaumann> and the language is too complex for my taste.
[09:26:03] <T`aZ> no shit, it's a mess, a huge, unmaitainable mess, that is not working as intended
[09:26:26] <T`aZ> try to download the sources of the dependencies before compiling
[09:26:33] <abaumann> no language reports, ever evolving language, really slow compilers, worse, only one implementation of the compiler
[09:26:40] <abaumann> no incremental linking.
[09:27:11] <T`aZ> no abi
[09:27:19] <T`aZ> everything fucking static
[09:27:20] <abaumann> what's so frustrating: people ignore those problems. I really hope Microsoft takes the lead and defines something in that direction..
[09:27:29] <abaumann> At least they know how to write compilers..
[09:27:48] <T`aZ> they will do rust.net :D
[09:28:14] <abaumann> C# being sort of a newer Java, C++/C being old, yeah, why not.
[09:28:35] <deep42thought> ;rust.net. IN A
[09:28:38] <deep42thought> it's still free :-)
[09:50:13] <buildmaster> i486/gdal is broken (says eurobuild6-7-i486): https://archlinux32.org
[09:50:26] <bill-auger> the niceset thing about rust, is that it is not golang
[09:50:44] <T`aZ> I can feel your pain from here
[09:53:55] <bill-auger> ie: it could be worse - there is another culture of software developers, who would prefer to see every native applications re-implemented in javascript
[09:55:09] <abaumann> "It's easier to write code than to read code" :-)
[09:55:25] <deep42thought> !grab abaumann
[09:55:26] <phrik> deep42thought: Tada!
[10:02:50] <abaumann> a damn: running staging-i486-build works, running it in the build slaves doesn't
[10:03:00] <deep42thought> O.o
[10:03:07] <deep42thought> systemd-nspawn hitting again?
[10:03:14] <deep42thought> ah, no
[10:03:34] <deep42thought> well, *what* do you run in the build slave, that does not work?
[10:03:51] <abaumann> python setup.by build in swig in gdal
[10:04:06] <abaumann> very handy that no core dump is written. :->
[10:04:24] <abaumann> checking for __uint128_t... no
[10:04:24] <abaumann> checking whether SSE is available at compile time... no
[10:04:24] <abaumann> checking whether SSSE3 is available at compile time... no
[10:04:24] <abaumann> checking whether AVX is available at compile time... no
[10:04:30] <abaumann> CFLAGS="-march=i486 -mtune=generic -O2 -pipe -fno-plt"
[10:05:21] <abaumann> I'll diff the build logs, maybe something is different..
[10:06:37] <abaumann> both take python-numpy-1.20.2-1.1
[10:08:29] <abaumann> both say SWIG: perl, so the python bindings are done by hand?
[10:09:12] <abaumann> /startdir/PKGBUILD: line 111: 6725 Aborted (core dumped) python setup.py build
[10:09:19] <abaumann> also in staging-i486-build
[10:09:27] <abaumann> ok, at least the same behaviour.
[10:23:49] <abaumann> ok, i486 drops python-gdal (FS32#188), i686 and pentium4 are fine.
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[11:51:15] <abaumann> newsboat 2.13 looks fine. I had to port some json-c stuff, but otherwise.. I'll make a newsboat-og github project and a package..
[12:24:33] <rmbeer> # pacman -S virtualbox
[12:24:34] <rmbeer> (5/8) Install DKMS modules
[12:24:35] <rmbeer> ==> Unable to install module vboxhost/6.0.8_OSE for kernel *: Missing kernel headers.
[12:42:36] <abaumann> IIRC virtualbox doesn't build at all since some time on 32-bit..
[12:42:41] <abaumann> with OOM problems
[12:42:51] <abaumann> I'll have another look at it..
[13:33:46] <buildmaster> i486/gmt is broken (says nlopc46-i486bs0): https://archlinux32.org
[13:43:44] <buildmaster> i486/virtualbox is broken (says eurobuild6-7-i486): https://archlinux32.org
[13:48:47] <abaumann> mmh. this builds. nice :-)
[14:20:49] <abaumann> top
[14:20:56] * abaumann lost focus
[14:21:02] <abaumann> (in two ways.. :-) )
[14:31:46] <abaumann> ==> dkms install --no-depmod -m vboxhost -v 6.0.8_OSE -k 5.11.16-arch1-1.0
[14:31:46] <abaumann> Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 5.11.16-arch1-1.0 (i686)
[14:31:49] <abaumann> Consult /var/lib/dkms/vboxhost/6.0.8_OSE/build/make.log for more information.
[14:31:52] <abaumann> ==> Warning, `dkms install --no-depmod -m vboxhost -v 6.0.8_OSE -k 5.11.16-arch1-1.0' returned 10
[14:31:55] <abaumann> ==> depmod 5.11.16-arch1-1.0
[14:32:04] <abaumann> https://wiki.archlinux.org "for the linux kernel, choose virtualbox-host-modules-arch", let's try that..
[14:33:17] <abaumann> doesn't exist.. mmh.
[14:34:45] <abaumann> s@configure @\0--only-additions --disable-kmods @
[14:52:31] <abaumann> install: cannot stat 'VBox.sh': No such file or directory
[14:52:35] <abaumann> Ah, I remember.
[14:52:42] <deep42thought> this rings a bell
[14:52:49] <abaumann> yes, never understood why it doesn't find that shell script
[14:53:53] <abaumann> so we settled in shipping only the guest and utils part, nobody runs a virtual box server on IA32 hardware..
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[16:42:10] <buildmaster> i486/python-wxpython is broken (says nlopc46-i486bs0): https://archlinux32.org
[16:46:19] <buildmaster> i486/gst-plugins-bad is broken (says eurobuild6-7-i486): https://archlinux32.org
[16:51:19] <buildmaster> i486/opencv is broken (says nlopc46-i486bs0): https://archlinux32.org
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[17:09:58] <buildmaster> i486/vtk is broken (says nlopc46-i486bs0): https://archlinux32.org
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[18:14:49] <buildmaster> i486/gst-plugins-bad is broken (says nlopc46-i486bs0): https://archlinux32.org
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[18:59:20] <trotz> 2021/05/07 18:58 OK buildmaster Running kernel running 5.12.1, installed 5.12.1
[19:22:12] <sunshavi> https://cheapskatesguide.org
[19:22:13] <phrik> Title: Linux has Largely Abandoned Still-Useful Near-Vintage Computers (at cheapskatesguide.org)
[19:32:15] <buildmaster> i486/doctl is broken (says nlopc46-i486bs0): https://archlinux32.org
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[21:27:06] <buildmaster> Hi abaumann!
[21:27:07] <buildmaster> !rq abaumann
[21:27:07] <phrik> buildmaster: <abaumann> the Linux kernel goes the Firefox way a) create a foundation, b) let everybody code on it, c) build times exceed the 20 minute margin on modern hardware d) reprogram everything in rust
[21:27:18] <abaumann> sunshavi: thanks for that article :-)
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[21:42:03] <buildmaster> pentium4/thunderbird is broken (says nlopc46): https://archlinux32.org
[21:45:01] <buildmaster> i486/tailscale is broken (says eurobuild6-8-i486): https://archlinux32.org
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[21:54:29] <buildmaster> i686/ffmpeg is broken (says nlopc46): https://archlinux32.org
[22:05:43] <buildmaster> pentium4/uwsgi is broken (says nlopc46): https://archlinux32.org
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[23:03:55] <bill-auger> thats an awfully long rant, only to "there is no perfect OS for my 20 year old PC, which is all of: user-friendly, efficient, up-to-date and actively-maintained, bug-free"
[23:04:38] <bill-auger> oh and did i mention: "maintained by someone else (not me)" and "free of charge" of course
[23:09:49] <bill-auger> i mean, debian still supports i386, as well as it did 20 years ago - if that isnt good enough, you are asking for too much
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