#archlinux32 | Logs for 2020-03-18

[00:01:49] <navik> Since the system is a bit wonky on the power side, I will try to eliminate a faulty power supply as a factor; otherwise the situation is a bit wierd.
[00:03:25] <navik> any ideas on why I'm seeing this behaviour, other than a possibly faulty PSU?
[00:12:51] <MrBIOS> navik: were you booting from optical media, or a USB stick?
[00:13:02] <navik> MrBIOS: USB stick
[00:13:16] <MrBIOS> have you verified the USB stick is still functional by plugging it into another machine?
[00:13:27] <MrBIOS> The 5V rail on your PSU may be the problem
[00:13:49] <MrBIOS> if you don’t have the ability to test the exact voltages on the PSU, assume it’s the PSU
[00:14:45] <navik> MrBIOS: I agree that it would be the first point for elimination on the matter.
[00:15:11] <MrBIOS> what’s the make and model of the PSU?
[00:15:18] <navik> Sadly my multimeter is too far away.
[00:16:58] <navik> MrBIOS: the USB sticks seems to work on other systems
[00:17:17] <navik> (one out of 3), I guess the others will work as well
[00:18:09] <navik> MrBIOS: is there any other symptoms I can observe, that could be attributed to the 5V rail, if that was the issue?
[00:18:48] <MrBIOS> not easily, no
[00:20:45] <navik> All 3 bootmedias work, so if theres no persistence from the boot media, which it shouldn't be; then the device just broke today, or the PSU broke, or both. :)
[00:21:19] <MrBIOS> have you tried other USB ports on the motherboard? Are you sure USB stick boot priority is set higher than PXE in your BIOS?
[00:21:29] <navik> gotta think what other device to slaughter for a PSU
[00:21:58] <navik> MrBIOS: yep, yes and definitively.
[00:22:08] <MrBIOS> I’ve no idea, then, unfortunately
[00:22:09] <navik> MrBIOS: the symptom is really obvious
[00:22:19] <MrBIOS> again, what is the make and model of the current PSU?
[00:22:50] <navik> MrBIOS: the device boots normally if I plug in monitor, usb-keyboard, usb-memorystick (without a bootable image burned into it)
[00:22:58] <navik> then it gets to the PXE boot
[00:23:05] <navik> since it doesn't find anything
[00:23:18] <navik> then I take the very same stick to another system, and burn an .iso to it, and plugs it back in
[00:23:43] <navik> now the system only get to aaalmost start the memory checks (it's an old system) and reboots from there, repeating over and over.
[00:24:36] <navik> but, then again, this could be just a faulty PSU and coincidense in how one has to proceed to achieve this.
[00:25:07] <navik> perhaps it's get overheated (the PSU) after a while and performs shitty.
[00:25:38] <MrBIOS> if it’s a failing PSU, current draw may increase right after the machine leaves POST, causing the re-set.
[00:26:01] <MrBIOS> again, unless you find the nameplate label on the PSU and figure out who made it, you’re not going to progress further
[00:26:40] <navik> What can the make and manufacturer help me with in this case?
[00:30:43] <navik> Is it that I can go check on the available knowledge of how they tend to fail, and how one can failtest them? I bet my best approach would be to just find some other PSU, that I know is somewhat healthy, and try that one - see if it solves it.
[00:32:45] <navik> MrBIOS: anyway, I'm grateful for your help here - I guess I'm going to get some sleep tonight, knowing theres at least one factor I can potentially eliminate tomorrow.
[00:33:21] <MrBIOS> navik: you can use that information to search online and see if there are common failures (usually capacitors) for that model
[00:33:33] <MrBIOS> good luck
[00:34:34] <navik> MrBIOS: I'll consider that if I'm feeling the PSU nostalgia mushing in ;)
[00:35:28] <navik> MrBIOS: thanks, I'll need it lol
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[00:40:43] <codeworm> Hey, I have run pacstrap without installing a kernel. Everything else is configured properly. I just remembered when I generated the grub config. If I run pacstrap again just to get the kernel it will erase everything and I have to start from the beginning?
[00:42:24] <MrBIOS> codeworm: that’s a valid question to ask in the non-32 bit channel, where there will be far more people to answer the question
[00:42:32] <MrBIOS> I don’t know the answer, sadly
[00:42:33] <navik> codeworm: not everything no, it will erase that which you pacstrap over again; depending on if you only strap in the kernel, it would be fine? But you could benefit from running the mkinitcpio scripts and grub-mkconfig
[00:42:50] <navik> as MrBIOS said too :)
[00:43:39] <navik> I would take backups of the manually edited configurations you've made, just because.
[00:43:49] <codeworm> MrBIOS: I'm using the 32-bit variant.
[00:43:57] <codeworm> #archlinux sent me here
[00:44:07] <MrBIOS> codeworm: it doesn’t matter, pacstrap would behave identically on the 64 bit versions
[00:44:13] <MrBIOS> they’re being dumb, then
[00:44:35] <navik> lol, I also got sent here by the archmasters
[00:44:40] <MrBIOS> it’s not like pacstrap 32-bit behaves differently from the official pacstrap. It’s the same fucking code.
[00:44:58] <codeworm> navik: lol
[00:45:20] <MrBIOS> they’re probably displeased that arch32 exists at all
[00:45:27] <codeworm> Hey, so I can't install a kernel with pacman and regenerate the grub config?
[00:45:51] <MrBIOS> you can do whatever you want ;)
[00:46:41] <codeworm> rm -rf / works too haha
[00:46:41] <navik> they shouldn't have removed 32bit support then - I was running archlinux on the system mentioned above before, but it's been a while since. Just sad I didn't keep the disks.
[00:46:52] <codeworm> I want to verify it will work :)
[00:47:48] <navik> Oh. Actually; I should still have those drives somewhere; perhaps I could just boot that ancient version of archlinux and be consent
[00:48:14] <navik> They're on their own powersupply
[00:48:54] <navik> Noted as plan b then.
[00:49:48] <navik> codeworm: you should be fine with repeating the procedure where you select the mirrors and pacstraps only the kernel in. Then arch-chroot and see what you got
[00:50:36] <navik> just copy whatever you spent a lot of time on configuring to /root for backup :)
[00:50:52] <navik> on /mnt/root I guess I mean.
[00:51:18] <navik> or wherever you have mounted the root partition for installation.
[00:51:48] <codeworm> oh god
[00:51:56] <codeworm> I would never follow a video tutorial again
[00:52:01] <codeworm> will*
[00:52:37] <codeworm> and there was other stuff that he got wrong on the video, yet I still kept following it..
[00:53:29] <codeworm> I think I should just install the kernel with pacman, generate grub config and be done with it
[00:57:37] <MrBIOS> Most Youtube-grade video tutorials seem to be made by people who barely know what they’re doing, or seem like they’re 13 years old.
[00:57:41] <MrBIOS> or both
[01:00:55] <buildmaster> i486/intel-graphics-compiler is broken (says nlopc46-i486bs1): https://archlinux32.org
[01:02:37] <codeworm> How can I find a kernel with pacman?
[01:02:59] <codeworm> google does not return anything on the topic
[01:03:13] <codeworm> and my brain hurts already to read the wiki
[01:08:55] <codeworm> searched with pacman for "linux" and "kernel" but nothing appears by the looks of it.
[01:15:21] <codeworm> I guess I will have to take a break and shallow the pill later...
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[02:33:43] <nit-picker> deep42thought: your slave nlopc46-i486bs0 builds i486/python-pyzmq for more than a day, now (2 day(s) 15:35:39)
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[05:09:09] <buildmaster> pentium4/wireguard-lts are broken (says eurobuild6-2): https://archlinux32.org
[05:26:56] <buildmaster> pentium4/wireguard-lts are broken (says eurobuild6-6): https://archlinux32.org
[05:31:31] <buildmaster> i686/haskell-data-dword is broken (says eurobuild6-2): https://archlinux32.org
[05:35:28] <buildmaster> i686/haskell-protolude is broken (says eurobuild6-3) - I rescheduled: haskell-async: https://archlinux32.org
[05:35:29] <buildmaster> pentium4/haskell-protolude is broken (says eurobuild6-5): https://archlinux32.org
[05:35:46] <buildmaster> i686/haskell-psqueues are broken (says eurobuild6-4): https://archlinux32.org
[05:37:01] <buildmaster> pentium4/haskell-data-dword is broken (says eurobuild3): https://archlinux32.org
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[05:39:18] <phrik> buildmaster: <buildmaster> I might be insane, but never confused ... ;-)
[05:40:05] <buildmaster> pentium4/haskell-psqueues are broken (says eurobuild6-5) - I rescheduled: haskell-tasty: https://archlinux32.org
[05:42:02] <buildmaster> i686/haskell-attoparsec is broken (says nlopc46): https://archlinux32.org
[05:46:26] <buildmaster> i686/haskell-lifted-async is broken (says eurobuild6-6) - I rescheduled: haskell-tasty-expected-failure, haskell-tasty-hunit, haskell-tasty-th: https://archlinux32.org
[05:52:19] <buildmaster> pentium4/haskell-attoparsec is broken (says nlopc46) - I rescheduled: haskell-tasty-quickcheck: https://archlinux32.org
[06:03:49] <buildmaster> i686/haskell-fsnotify is broken (says eurobuild6-3) - I rescheduled: haskell-hinotify: https://archlinux32.org
[06:03:50] <buildmaster> pentium4/haskell-fsnotify is broken (says eurobuild6-2): https://archlinux32.org
[06:16:01] <buildmaster> i686/haskell-rio is broken (says eurobuild6-2) - I rescheduled: haskell-typed-process, haskell-unliftio: https://archlinux32.org
[06:16:35] <buildmaster> pentium4/haskell-rio is broken (says eurobuild6-4): https://archlinux32.org
[06:29:38] <buildmaster> pentium4/haskell-aeson is broken (says nlopc46) - I rescheduled: haskell-tasty-golden: https://archlinux32.org
[06:59:53] <buildmaster> i686/haskell-turtle is broken (says nlopc46): https://archlinux32.org
[07:00:11] <buildmaster> pentium4/haskell-turtle is broken (says eurobuild6-3): https://archlinux32.org
[07:11:32] <buildmaster> pentium4/haskell-conduit-extra is broken (says eurobuild3) - I rescheduled: haskell-streaming-commons: https://archlinux32.org
[07:16:40] <girls> regarding installing forgotten stuff: `chroot /mnt /bin/bash` and then usual `pacman -S linux` should do it.
[07:36:56] <buildmaster> pentium4/haskell-hedgehog is broken (says eurobuild6-3) - I rescheduled: haskell-concurrent-output: https://archlinux32.org
[07:37:17] <buildmaster> i686/haskell-hedgehog is broken (says eurobuild6-1): https://archlinux32.org
[07:38:45] <navik> MrBIOS: this boggles me - with another PSU, which is quite monstrous and works well on other systems, the same issues persist. But that aint all
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[07:39:21] <navik> MrBIOS: When I have no USB peripherials plugged in, and it is doing the memcheck, and I plug in any USB-device, the memcheck halts a bit, and then continues. Like it's checking it.
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[07:40:11] <navik> MrBIOS: When I have no USB peripherials plugged in, and it is doing the memcheck, and I plug in any USB-device, the memcheck halts a bit, and then continues. Like it's checking it.
[07:40:25] <navik> MrBIOS: this boggles me - with another PSU, which is quite monstrous and works well on other systems, the same issues persist. But that aint all
[07:40:59] <navik> MrBIOS: Then if I plugin a normal USB stick (it is not bootable) it checks it and continues all well.
[07:41:23] <navik> MrBIOS: but if I plug in an USB stick with something bootable burned in to it, it checks it, hangs and starts boot-looping
[07:42:13] <navik> now, there's kind of a lot of explaining to be done in order to detail why this system boot-loops depending on if bootable stuff is on an usb-key or not; when the system is doing the memory check in BIOS.
[07:45:59] <navik> What I don't understand is why the content of the USB-stick should matter in BIOS memcheck.
[07:48:06] <buildmaster> pentium4/haskell-tasty-discover is broken (says eurobuild6-5) - I rescheduled: haskell-tasty-hspec, haskell-tasty-smallcheck: https://archlinux32.org
[08:00:35] <buildmaster> i686/haskell-http-client-tls are broken (says eurobuild6-1) - I rescheduled: haskell-tls: https://archlinux32.org
[08:01:01] <buildmaster> pentium4/haskell-http-client-tls are broken (says eurobuild6-3): https://archlinux32.org
[08:15:24] <buildmaster> pentium4/shellcheck is broken (says eurobuild6-6): https://archlinux32.org
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[08:56:15] <trotz> 2020/03/18 08:55 OK buildmaster OS updates 0 updates, 0 ignored
[09:22:39] <buildmaster> i686/frameworkintegration is broken (says eurobuild6-3): https://archlinux32.org
[09:27:41] <buildmaster> pentium4/frameworkintegration is broken (says eurobuild6-6): https://archlinux32.org
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[10:20:43] <nit-picker> The following packages are longer than 3 days in pentium4/staging:
[10:20:44] <nit-picker> libass-0.14.0-1.10-pentium4.pkg.tar.xz: since 2019-12-17 (91 days)
[10:20:44] <nit-picker> libbluray-1.1.2-1.7-pentium4.pkg.tar.xz: since 2019-12-17 (91 days)
[10:20:44] <nit-picker> libgdiplus-5.6.1-2.8-pentium4.pkg.tar.xz: since 2019-12-17 (91 days)
[10:20:44] <nit-picker> libgda-5.2.9-2.2-pentium4.pkg.tar.xz: since 2019-12-17 (91 days)
[10:20:44] <nit-picker> libgda-firebird-5.2.9-2.2-pentium4.pkg.tar.xz: since 2019-12-17 (91 days)
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[10:42:14] <nit-picker> The following packages are longer than 3 days in pentium4/community-staging:
[10:42:14] <nit-picker> portsmf-234-1.0-pentium4.pkg.tar.xz: since 2019-12-14 (94 days)
[10:42:14] <nit-picker> libgdamm-4.99.11-1.7-pentium4.pkg.tar.xz: since 2019-12-17 (91 days)
[10:42:14] <nit-picker> libgdamm-docs-4.99.11-1.7-pentium4.pkg.tar.xz: since 2019-12-17 (91 days)
[10:42:14] <nit-picker> python2-gtkglext-1.1.0-8.7-pentium4.pkg.tar.xz: since 2019-12-17 (91 days)
[10:42:14] <nit-picker> lxappearance-obconf-0.2.3-2.6-pentium4.pkg.tar.xz: since 2019-12-17 (91 days)
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[11:17:51] <nit-picker> The following packages are longer than 3 days in i486/staging:
[11:17:51] <nit-picker> libbs2b-3.1.0-6.10-i486.pkg.tar.xz: since 2019-12-17 (91 days)
[11:17:51] <nit-picker> libmatroska-1.5.2-1.6-i486.pkg.tar.xz: since 2019-12-17 (91 days)
[11:17:51] <nit-picker> libpsl-0.21.0-2.3-i486.pkg.tar.xz: since 2019-12-17 (91 days)
[11:17:51] <nit-picker> most-5.1.0-1.6-i486.pkg.tar.xz: since 2019-12-17 (91 days)
[11:17:51] <nit-picker> zita-resampler-1.6.2-2.3-i486.pkg.tar.xz: since 2019-12-17 (91 days)
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[11:53:19] <buildmaster> i486/libretro-beetle-psx is broken (says nlopc46-i486bs1): https://archlinux32.org
[11:57:20] <buildmaster> i486/libretro-flycast is broken (says nlopc46-i486bs1): https://archlinux32.org
[11:58:09] <nit-picker> key A0B250C0FC9FC079EC04ADB7A50C0F20AEC3AF00 (from Polichronucci (Arch Linux 32 Master Key) <polichronucci@archlinux.gr>) in package archlinux32-keyring-20200227-1.0-any.pkg.tar.zst expires on 2020-05-05 (in 47 < 100 days).
[12:02:12] <buildmaster> i486/libretro-play is broken (says nlopc46-i486bs1): https://archlinux32.org
[12:04:17] <buildmaster> i686/libretro-play is broken (says eurobuild6-5): https://archlinux32.org
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[13:07:42] <nit-picker> The following packages are longer than 3 days in i686/staging:
[13:07:42] <nit-picker> libass-0.14.0-1.10-i686.pkg.tar.xz: since 2019-12-17 (92 days)
[13:07:42] <nit-picker> libbluray-1.1.2-1.7-i686.pkg.tar.xz: since 2019-12-17 (92 days)
[13:07:42] <nit-picker> libgdiplus-5.6.1-2.8-i686.pkg.tar.xz: since 2019-12-17 (92 days)
[13:07:42] <nit-picker> libgda-5.2.9-2.2-i686.pkg.tar.xz: since 2019-12-17 (92 days)
[13:07:42] <nit-picker> libgda-firebird-5.2.9-2.2-i686.pkg.tar.xz: since 2019-12-17 (92 days)
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[14:21:54] <nit-picker> The following packages are longer than 17 days in i686/community-testing:
[14:21:54] <nit-picker> gnuradio-iqbal-0.37.2-37.0-i686.pkg.tar.zst: since 2020-01-16 (62 days)
[14:21:54] <nit-picker> gnuradio-fcdproplus-3.8.0-4.0-i686.pkg.tar.zst: since 2020-01-16 (62 days)
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[15:16:34] <nit-picker> The following packages are longer than 17 days in pentium4/community-testing:
[15:16:34] <nit-picker> gnuradio-iqbal-0.37.2-37.0-pentium4.pkg.tar.zst: since 2020-01-16 (62 days)
[15:16:34] <nit-picker> gnuradio-fcdproplus-3.8.0-4.0-pentium4.pkg.tar.zst: since 2020-01-16 (62 days)
[15:25:36] <nit-picker> key A0B250C0FC9FC079EC04ADB7A50C0F20AEC3AF00 (from Polichronucci (Arch Linux 32 Master Key) <polichronucci@archlinux.gr>) in package archlinux32-keyring-transition-20200227-1.0-any.pkg.tar.zst expires on 2020-05-05 (in 47 < 100 days).
[15:46:53] <buildmaster> any/reflector is broken (says eurobuild3): https://archlinux32.org
[15:47:15] <buildmaster> i486/borg is broken (says nlopc46-i486bs1): https://archlinux32.org
[15:54:57] <nit-picker> deep42thought: your slave nlopc46-i486bs0 builds i486/python-pyzmq for more than a day, now (3 day(s) 04:56:53)
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[18:00:34] <nit-picker> The following packages are longer than 17 days in pentium4/testing:
[18:00:34] <nit-picker> kio-5.67.0-1.0-pentium4.pkg.tar.zst: since 2020-02-27 (20 days)
[18:00:34] <nit-picker> kinit-5.67.0-1.0-pentium4.pkg.tar.zst: since 2020-02-27 (20 days)
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[18:00:34] <nit-picker> kparts-5.67.0-1.0-pentium4.pkg.tar.zst: since 2020-02-27 (20 days)
[18:00:34] <nit-picker> knewstuff-5.67.0-1.0-pentium4.pkg.tar.zst: since 2020-02-27 (20 days)
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[18:50:05] <nit-picker> The following packages are longer than 3 days in i486/community-staging:
[18:50:05] <nit-picker> pvoc-0.1.12-4.10-i486.pkg.tar.xz: since 2019-12-17 (92 days)
[18:50:05] <nit-picker> cgmanager-0.42-1.13-i486.pkg.tar.xz: since 2019-12-17 (92 days)
[18:50:05] <nit-picker> yubikey-personalization-1.20.0-1.6-i486.pkg.tar.xz: since 2019-12-17 (92 days)
[18:50:05] <nit-picker> libgig-4.2.0-2.6-i486.pkg.tar.xz: since 2019-12-17 (92 days)
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[19:04:21] <nit-picker> deep42thought: your slave rechenknecht builds any/firrtl for more than a day, now (2 day(s) 00:08:47)
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[19:17:12] <buildmaster> i486/glibmm is broken (says nlopc46-i486bs1): https://archlinux32.org
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[20:58:05] <nit-picker> The following packages are longer than 3 days in i686/community-staging:
[20:58:05] <nit-picker> portsmf-234-1.0-i686.pkg.tar.xz: since 2019-12-14 (95 days)
[20:58:05] <nit-picker> libgdamm-4.99.11-1.7-i686.pkg.tar.xz: since 2019-12-17 (92 days)
[20:58:05] <nit-picker> libgdamm-docs-4.99.11-1.7-i686.pkg.tar.xz: since 2019-12-17 (92 days)
[20:58:05] <nit-picker> python2-gtkglext-1.1.0-8.7-i686.pkg.tar.xz: since 2019-12-17 (92 days)
[20:58:06] <nit-picker> lxappearance-obconf-0.2.3-2.6-i686.pkg.tar.xz: since 2019-12-17 (92 days)
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[21:03:37] <navik> MrBIOS: i tried with an ancient USB stick of less than 4GB in size, with an equally ancient live OS installed - and it worked like a charm. Seems the BIOS was allergic to the larger ones.
[21:04:03] <MrBIOS> that’s hardly surprising
[21:06:08] <navik> cool, to me it was; but now I know better :)
[21:06:26] <navik> but it kind of makes sense, I have to agree
[21:07:39] <navik> MrBIOS: thanks for your feedback yday anyway, much appreciated!
[21:13:47] <buildmaster> i486/glibmm is broken (says nlopc46-i486bs1): https://archlinux32.org
[21:19:59] <buildmaster> i486/phonegap is broken (says nlopc46-i486bs1): https://archlinux32.org
[21:28:01] <buildmaster> pentium4/shellcheck is broken (says eurobuild6-5): https://archlinux32.org
[22:15:19] <buildmaster> i686/haskell-sbv is broken (says eurobuild6-1): https://archlinux32.org
[22:27:00] <buildmaster> pentium4/shellcheck is broken (says eurobuild6-1): https://archlinux32.org
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