#archlinux32 | Logs for 2023-09-26

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[05:04:29] <buildmaster> Hi abaumann!
[05:04:29] <buildmaster> !rq abaumann
[05:04:30] <phrik> buildmaster: <abaumann> works. I receive my personal spam now ;-)
[05:04:41] <abaumann> bill-auger: the transition of community community-staging is not over
[05:04:52] <abaumann> the buildmaster is not working since a week at least
[05:04:59] <abaumann> python is completely broken in stable
[05:05:23] <abaumann> I'm actually considering calling the end of 32-bit Archlinux due to various reasons..
[05:05:27] <abaumann> ..opinions? :-)
[05:07:15] <abaumann> currently the buildmaster is sane again: https://buildmaster.archlinux32.org
[05:07:15] <phrik> Title: result of archlinux32 build master's sanity check (at buildmaster.archlinux32.org)
[05:07:34] <abaumann> but get-package-updates will run into deadlocked transactions again, no doubt
[05:08:02] <abaumann> python and module rebuilds and doing the whole community repo migration pretty much requires a working buildmaster. :-)
[05:08:15] <abaumann> I don't have the skills to understand or change anything in it.
[05:08:50] <abaumann> for three months now I can not force manual builds or push packages to stble, so my hands are tight. I need something more manual and flexible.
[05:08:55] <abaumann> otherwise *shrug*
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[06:23:43] <bill-auger> on one hand "no dont do that - its important" - but TBH, i dont think i would be willing to pick up the slack if arch32 ceased - i would probably just drop the i686 port in parabola, and put debian on those machines
[06:24:55] <bill-auger> also TBH, we almost never get bug reports for i686, despite that i know it is the much buggier than the x86_64 and arm ports
[06:25:38] <bill-auger> the bug reports i give you guys are not from users, but problems i had trying to build this stuff
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[06:31:53] <bill-auger> build it for who? i dunno - i do wonder sometimes
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[08:02:06] <T`aZ> sad, but pretty understandable. I stopped running the arch32 versions 2-3y ago, because : package instabilities breaking too often (specific .so version required because $something not compiled) and 2 because I had major instabilities in the kernel itself, unable to get any kernel dev to get a look at. thus for me linux 32bits is already dead :/
[08:02:32] <T`aZ> s/32bits/intel 32bits/
[08:09:44] <bill-auger> it is peculiar that 32-bit arm is easier to support than x86 - i doubt if upstream devs target it specifically - maybe there is a fundamental reason, or maybe compiler devs pay more attention to that arch - i dunno
[08:10:20] <bill-auger> yea, im looking at you rust :(
[08:19:52] <T`aZ> arm32 is still being used by the industry, so actual paid support is still happening. Nobody is asking us to look at a kernel issue on 32bits intel though
[08:20:26] <T`aZ> i'm wondering how debian is doing it.
[08:22:35] <bill-auger> im sure that debian does it per raw determination - it is a matter of policy to be "the universal OS", to support all computers which are still in common use - dropping any arch is a decision not taken lightly
[08:23:53] <bill-auger> the only one i know of in recent history is 32-bit MIPS - the current debian will be the final version to support 32-bit MIPS
[08:29:28] <bill-auger> as for the "how", im sure that LTS stability plays a role - packages in testing are not required to work all the time, only on the day of the freeze (one day every 5 years) is that important to have the entire arch well-supported
[08:33:28] <bill-auger> surely arch32 could keep rocking if packages flowed out of testing only one day every 5 years - slackware also, though more like every 8-10 years
[08:35:04] <T`aZ> indeed. I do like my packages to be younger than 10y though.
[08:35:05] <bill-auger> so that is perhaps an option - arch32 could become LTS - say, one grand release per year, or less
[08:35:37] <bill-auger> or fewer i mean - maybe one every 2 years
[08:46:09] <T`aZ> more like just a releas instead of lts, i dont think maintaining minor patches for that same fixed set of software is needed
[08:51:47] <bill-auger> people would inevitably debate that; but i agree, if 2 years is not fast enough, youre SOL
[08:52:54] <bill-auger> that is what hyperbola did back in 2017 - they forked arch and froze it to make an LTS arch - since then, they backport security patches from debian to keep users safe and happy
[08:57:39] <bill-auger> but they also made major sacrifices - they ejected rust and anything rusty, QT and anything "qute", and most GUI applications and DEs
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[12:03:36] <KitsuWhooa> abaumann: is there someome who knows how to fix it? :p
[12:03:38] <KitsuWhooa> who wrote it?
[12:03:44] <KitsuWhooa> and how can I try fixing it?
[12:14:32] <KitsuWhooa> I'm thinking that it worked at *some* point, so at the very least reverting it back might help?
[12:14:40] <KitsuWhooa> also yeah, it's insane again
[13:11:19] <sL1pKn07> i do tons manual rebuilds in my side (download arch pkgbuild with wget and do makepkg). i can say have more or less python funtional for my requeriments (klipper and kde plasma). i have builded with -march=native. so idk if is safe to push to pentium4 repo (pentium celerom M machine (asus r2h)) some packages takes a live (one or two complete days), but is the price to pay for working machine
[13:12:27] <sL1pKn07> live=life
[13:14:08] <sL1pKn07> as note, i have sucessful build rust and nodejs, but not very last releases
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